I have a 99 cavy, Looking to do a motor swap or build. I am looking to get somewhere in the vicinity of 300-350 fwhp that is daily driver dependable and thrasable. It has the 2200 sfi engine in it. I have found a large quantity of parts for the car just not a good crank to build it on. If anyone has any insight as to where I can get one, I would appreciate it. Other than that if anyone has any swap suggestions I am all ears. I have heard good things about the 2.4 eco swap but don't know what all is involved. Keep in mind though the cars major purpose is a daily driver. The bad ass car is still going to be the nova. I am building it for 1000 rwhp on a 32 lb boosted ls2 engine. But that is later, just looking for something that won't get laughed at when I go to the track to watch the real cars race. That and to shut up some of the honda fags.
swap a cobalt ss engine in it, do a complete build balance the crank, better fuel etc. small shot of n20 and upgrade pulleys and you will be satisfied. but your looking at at least one arm and possible a nut to spend.
3400, with turbo kit would be my suggestion.
what all is required to do the cobalt swap? I believe it's basically the same block but don't they have a completely different wiring harness? And the other thing would be what is that going to do for the emissions on the car?
As far as the 3400..... yeah isn't that a v6? Has that swap ever even been done? I mean hey, it sounds cool and all, Hell I would even be willing to take the task on if it's possible but can it even be done? Shoot me a link if you know something I don't know.
This is what I currently had in mind though:
2200 sfi block- punched out .020 to get the bores straightened up
forged pistons/ h-beam rods from mantaparts balanced locally
reworked head with larger valves from mantaparts.
custom turbo manifold from local reputable source.
t3/t4 turbo capable of feeding it about 14-18 lbs.
intercooled with stand alone fuel system
ram intake manifold for better flow
Parts I haven't found yet:
Forged crankshaft to build it on
bigger better bumpstick and valve train
tougher clutch to hold it all down
stronger half shafts to hold it together
anyone got any suggestions? (not that I am discluding the above suggestions just looking to get all the info I can before I commit)(last time I commited to a project it was my truck and it just got finished after 4 years)
yeah but if your going to do a swap the wiring harness is not hard at all man. And the cobalt/eco are rated to 600hp to the crank.
Man, if you don't know the answers to some of those questions you asked, no offense, but you shouldn't be swapping motors.
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While I'm not one of the people who usually says this, I have to ask why you would even try to get 300+ whp out of the 2200 engine. Don't get me wrong, it's proven to be a good engine, but I think past about 250 whp you're going to run into some big problems. And I'm not sure, but I don't know that 14-18 psi is going to get you where you're looking to be - I think you'd need 20+ And daily driver dependable? 300 whp with an engine that's around 90 whp stock? I think you're dreaming there - it's just not the right motor for the task.
I think for those kinds of numbers, at the least you're going to need to swap into something else, and even at that you're going to have to do some real work on a 2.4/Eco to get it there. And I still wouldn't vouch for it's daily driveability. Hate to say it, but for a 300-350 whp daily driver, you might want to look at a different car entirely.
And just so you know where I'm coming from, I've repeatedly told people that with my wife's car, we're NOT going to do an engine swap or sell the car for something else. She's also got a 2200 OHV - our goal is basically to get what we can, reasonably, out of it, and still have it be driveable. 200-220 whp seems to be the limit there - 170-180 whp is more common from a lower psi (can't remember for sure, but 5-8 psi range) turbo setup.
Marcus Williams wrote:While I'm not one of the people who usually says this, I have to ask why you would even try to get 300+ whp out of the 2200 engine. Don't get me wrong, it's proven to be a good engine, but I think past about 250 whp you're going to run into some big problems. And I'm not sure, but I don't know that 14-18 psi is going to get you where you're looking to be - I think you'd need 20+ And daily driver dependable? 300 whp with an engine that's around 90 whp stock? I think you're dreaming there - it's just not the right motor for the task.
I think for those kinds of numbers, at the least you're going to need to swap into something else, and even at that you're going to have to do some real work on a 2.4/Eco to get it there. And I still wouldn't vouch for it's daily driveability. Hate to say it, but for a 300-350 whp daily driver, you might want to look at a different car entirely.
And just so you know where I'm coming from, I've repeatedly told people that with my wife's car, we're NOT going to do an engine swap or sell the car for something else. She's also got a 2200 OHV - our goal is basically to get what we can, reasonably, out of it, and still have it be driveable. 200-220 whp seems to be the limit there - 170-180 whp is more common from a lower psi (can't remember for sure, but 5-8 psi range) turbo setup.
Oh lord.
First a stock 2200 can get 200WHP and be dependable. Hahn helped build a 2200 that did 197whp on a stock motor. I know some people have done 10 psi on a stock motor maybe a tad over 200 WHP, but you a pushing it at that point. SO to get a extra 100 WHP out of a built motor is not that hard. As for everyday driving well it all depends on how you build the car. I probably would not build a motor and drive it everyday ( that is me). Also how much PSI to get that power, well truly it all matters on what size turbo tuning etc... Hahn made 197whp on 5 psi.
As for motor swaps well there is many he could do to get those goals. GTP motor, 2.4, and of course a Ecotec. All of these motors set-up correctly could get close to or to his goals stock (internally).
If money is not a issue build a 2200, others have and done well with them, or swap a GTP motor in with a few mods and have fun. Many options pick one.
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Oh lord.
First a stock 2200 can get 200WHP and be dependable.
I agree with you there -
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...get what we can, reasonably, out of it, and still have it be driveable. 200-220 whp seems to be the limit there...
I agree I wouldn't build the 2200 OHV for 300 whp and then daily drive it. I guess I never specified that my 200-220 whp figure was on a mostly stock motor. But what I'm going by is what people like Adler have done to their car - go look at his mod list. He's still not quite to 300 whp. Now I don't remember exactly what he's got, I know it's high 200s, and yes, he's ran a 13.2, but does he daily drive it? I'm not sure, I'm asking - I notice in his profile he's got 2 cars listed so I'm thinking that he probably doesn't, or at least he doesn't drive it all the time.
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As for motor swaps well there is many he could do to get those goals. GTP motor, 2.4, and of course a Ecotec. All of these motors set-up correctly could get close to or to his goals stock (internally).
Well I said that he'd be better off going for the swap to make those numbers. However he's not going to make 300 whp on a Eco boosting 5 psi - it's going to take more than that. I don't really know the 2.4 or Eco that well to know what all he'd have to do to it, I know he can get there, but it's going to take some work past just the swap and bolting on a turbo. I'm not at all familiar with the GTP motor so maybe that one is the best option. But if he does a swap, first off, will the new engine just bolt right to his current tranny or is he swapping the tranny too? And will the 5 speed tranny in his car handle 300 whp? If not then he'll either have to rebuild it or get one from the car that the engine came out of...
Personally, I'd say if it's your daily driver but you want it to be faster, go ahead and turbo it and go for 5-8 psi. You should be able to get into that 200-220 whp range without trouble, not really have to get into the internals, and you'll have plenty of power to put the "Honda fags" in their place. After all, if you're gonna have a 1000 whp Nova for the track, I think you'll have your speed fix when you need it
Gary Coakley wrote:As far as the 3400..... yeah isn't that a v6? Has that swap ever even been done? I mean hey, it sounds cool and all, Hell I would even be willing to take the task on if it's possible but can it even be done? Shoot me a link if you know something I don't know.
As a matter of fact, yes... the 3400 is a V6. Yes it's been done. Obviously you havent looked at the third gen forum. Or seen any of the pics of my car. Perhaps this will help. Then go check out the V6 swap post in the 3rd gen forum.
Luke Heier wrote:Man, if you don't know the answers to some of those questions you asked, no offense, but you shouldn't be swapping motors.
Um.. yeah, thanks anyway. I am fully capable of performing this motor swap. I have swapped ls motors into old chevelles and novas, did a big block swap on my lifted truck, swapped a 514 ford motor into a buddy's truck, hell we even mounted a cbr 1000rr motor in a suzuki 230 quad sport frame. Just hadn't done one on a cavy before. Was looking for a little insight from those who have done it before.
To the other members thank you greatly for all the input. I don't know that I will ever really want to get 300-350 out of the car. But I am looking towards a reliable base that if I wanted to go that far later that I wouldn't have a problem doing it. Right now I am leaning toward the 2.4l eco swap. I am getting a lot of input saying that I don't have to @!#$ with bottom end of it. But with the experience I have had building motors, it's always easier to build it stronger than neccesary the first time so you can break it in the way you should, hard. (if anyone has any questions on that one I will get you the link with all the info.)
SHOoff: I thought you were just @!#$ around, did not mean to insult you by that. I will look into that swap. Looks like a whole @!#$ton of power could be made there with a little modification. I am going to check up on the info on that and get back to you.
Thanks for all the info y'all.
