Comment on the list, i got all of my info from quad4forums.com ( thanks for the info ), i was told that i could break 200hp with this setup w/o going "bullet proof", i dont understand what bulletproof consists of but any help with my list would be great.
• 086 head ported and polished
• W41 cams
• 90 HO crank pulley
• 90 HO exhaust manifold ported
• Ported 2.5 exhaust flange
• Brown top injectors
• 2.5 down pipe
• 2.5 mandrel bent exhaust
• High flow cat, resonator, and muffler
• B&M short throw
• Spec clutch
• Poly upper lower engine trans mounts
• Findanza flywheel
• Rods ( suggestions? )
• Bore ( suggestions? )
• Pistons ( suggestions? )
After i run this set-up for a while and get some numbers i want to go boost, could someone give me some guidelines to follow when boosting?
thanks for looking
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my advice, before gathering anything for the bottom end, wait and see how the stroker goes. If it goes well do that, else dont. For a serious N/A build you might want bigger than w41 cams. 200 HP with a quad N/A shouldnt be too brutal.
Sven you totally quarterloafed your computer..
"bullet proof" on our motors are essentially:
-forged rods
-forged pistons and moly rings
-forged main and head studs
-ss valves
I guess you could include the forged crank (since the 2.3 actually had one made for it), although I wouldn't. The stock crank can take one hell of a beating as it is.
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"Youth in Asia"...I don't see anything wrong with that.
The brown top are not needed. I can tell you from experience. All you have there is a W41 engine. You won<t hit 200hp with 2.3 set with low compression even if you have the W41 cams.
If you want to make it a beast, go high compression and boost. You'll enjoy it.
Check my reg for more info on what to do. I don't have the studs on that engine but I may buy them. I don<t see the use for now since the car is not run for more than 5k km a year.
Gilles
2.3 Ho
i just thought i would add ...get an AFPR if you havnt already...and a safe overbore size is .040" ....even though i only went 30 over with my stroker
.......rods?get eagle
should i just go out and get a W41 or a HO motor and start from there? cause people tell me the 95 QUAD4 isnt the best to build with
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an older Quad would be a few steps ahead of the game.
Ported head- depends on who and how its ported.
Pistons- High compression forged
Rods - 200 hp is easy for stock. Eagle won't hurt much though.
Bore - minimum to clean up.
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I have no recommendations on a port-er.
There are just alot of discount hacks that would need to be avoided.
Minimum cleanup means that there isn't alot of power to be had by boring .060"+ oversize compared to .020". The difference is basically unmeasurable given the limits of our blocks (cant really do .125'' over).
If .020" or .030" over give you clean straight bores (pretty much always will) then thats all you need. The extra material left = extra strength anyway.
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ok i get it now thanks. does anyone happen to know what the 95 2.3 dynoed at stock? i know the HO or W41 motor did 190hp stock ( only one source dont know if thats correct ).
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If your building an engine for power the 95 quad is to be avoided...itll cost you more money in the long run...like changing the head over to an 086,when the older quads CAME with an 086 ..stuff like that..
as far as power the 95 quad is comparable to the 2.4 twin cam..about the same power..not as much low end torque
i dont recommend going out looking for a w41..cus i doubt youll even find one..but getting an "in good shape" HO quad would be a good start..then build on that and youll be happy
My auto quad (95) dyno'd at 100hp/108ft/lb
But something is wrong with it I'm sure
lol yes something is wrong
good news is im trying to make a deal with a guy who has a 92 HO in good condition
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okay turns out its a little pricey ( 900.00 to be exact and i still have to pick it up in IOWA )
MFK- ive got the QUAD4 dohc ( low out put ) its the 95 block. i dont understand what you mean by W41engine, it doesnt have the W41 stamp on it. but since you know alot about the QUAD what could i do to change the 95 block if i wanted to keep it?
i think im going to go with the under dog approach with the 95 block, ive heard good and bad about it and since not many people work with it and just swap to a HO or W41 im going to build a respectable 2.3
itll be a fun journey so MFK if youd like to share some tips im open. also if anyone has any good refrences for parts list them so i can start contacting people.
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I've got an 89 block I'll part with for $150 if you come get it. It's in decent shape and I got internal parts to go with it. I haven't gotten into it all the way yet, but it needs an oil pan, timing assembly, and a head for sure. I would put all new rod's and pistons in it as well as a full rebuild. PM me if you want it.
I've also got a couple 955 heads (the 89 head not really that good for N/A), and a spare crank (needs cleaned) plus other parts.
let me know
Really Richard, don't bother with the 95 block. Modifying it to be a w41 isn't worth the effort or price at all. It is almost not worth the effort on an LD9. $900 for a High Output motor seems like a good deal to me. Otherwise, if you are planning on putting forged internals in your motor, just find a LO quad motor from 94'-earlier for cheap and get the parts as you go.
If you really want to be an underdog, swap one of those 1.9L DOHC LLO motors from the 90's s-series saturns, keeping it GM...That would screw with any J-body owner's head as soon as you pop the hood.
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"Youth in Asia"...I don't see anything wrong with that.
Richard, the cover is just a cover. It doesn't show what's really in the engine
The picture I have in my reg is from when I had the turbo Ho. The list for the engine is up to date.
I have a set of W41 cams Hot grind 2 ( they are bigger than stock W41) witch makes it a W41. 12:1 compression.
Gilles
2.3 Ho
im getting a 89 quad block w/internals, since its just a block what else would be good for it? do i need to change my build at all?
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ho? or lo block? differnt compression pistons
89 only had the one motor, LO (150 HP) I do believe. I'm selling him my motor, well, a spare motor. It's a 89 with the 955 head, so it's the LO (not really an LO, just a quad4 in those years). Of course that doesn't mean it's not buildable. I've told J-tech to build it right off the bat, pistons, rods, freshen everything up and do it right. Spend the money on a quality build and make it last while giving him the best performance he wants.
I've got a bunch of extra parts to go with it. But alas, it lacks the oil pan, intake, exhaust, and timing cover (all able to be found still). It's in need of a rebuild and at least a +.010" bore to make sure everything is nice and clean. Of course, I have told him to go the route he wants the motor to be now, as in build it for boost or N/A. Not N/A now and boost in a few years.
It should make him happy in the long run. It was going to be my destroked 2.0L twin turbo remake of the land speed record quad, but I think it will be better as a street motor.
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destroked 2.0L twin turbo remake of the land speed record quad
a moment of silence for that motor if you please.................
tears roll from my eyes like a little girl, every time I think of it...so beautiful and pure.
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destroked 2.0L twin turbo remake of the land speed record quad
what happened to it? thats crazy
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