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2200 oil pan

Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:20 PM

hey fellas im looking to see if there is a bigger oil pan for the 2200 other than the moroso pan that howell sells because i dont feel like spending $500 on an oil pan... im running a turbo so i would like to have more oil to run it more efficiently

thanks

Re: 2200 oil pan

Thursday, February 08, 2007 5:38 PM

MadJack

That's the only pan that I know of. If you are any good with sheet metal fabrication, you could add an extended sump for added volume. You could install an oil cooler to control the oil temprature and a crank scrapper/windage tray (see Vortech 2.2), to control the oil better. Even using the PF52 or equivalent filter will add about 1/3 of a quart to you oiling system, plus a larger filter surface through which the oil can run through.

Re: 2200 oil pan

Friday, February 09, 2007 5:28 AM

2200cavfire

well im going to use the il pump out of a 93 cavalier but im using the high volume pump so i was looking to get possibly another quart if i could... i also plan on putting a cooler on it so i think with the cooler and the bigger filter that it should be ok

Re: 2200 oil pan

Friday, February 09, 2007 4:40 PM

MadJack

With the mods you have and are planning, I wouldn't recommend the High Volume pump, unless you have excessive bearing clearance. I would recommend the '93 and older standard pump. It has a slightly higher volume(approximately 10

and an 80psi relief spring (as opposed to the '94+ relief spring of 56psi). It will provide more than enough volume and pressure for what your building, without taking up too much horsepower, like the HV pump will. It is the most popular pump used for performance rebuilds. When I rebuilt my engine, it was built on the loose side of spec range and it maintains more than sufficient pressure, even hot.

Re: 2200 oil pan

Saturday, February 10, 2007 7:18 AM

2200cavfire

well what would be sufficient power to use the high volume? i am going to be turbo charging it so im hoping to run around 10-15psi but i dont know yet.... the internals are all redone and basically i just want a pump that wont fail me especially cause my head took so long to get done from the machine shop.

Re: 2200 oil pan

Sunday, February 11, 2007 6:14 AM

MadJack

If your bearing clearances are within the specified range, you motor has been balanced and you are not sustaining over 7000rpm, you will be fine. It's not the amount of horsepower you make that determines the oil pump need, but rather the rpm, bearing clearance and weather or not the cylinder pressure is defeating the shearing ability of the oil film on which you bearings ride. Remember that a V type engine typically has two rod throw on each main bearing saddle, as opposed to our one. Even if the V motor is making the same HP and torque per ci as our motor, they are putting twice the shearing pressure on each main bearing as our motor, yet they typically have no shearing problems.

To support 7000+ rpm, requires modification to most of the oiling system, including the main bearing saddles, the main bearings, the crank, the oil galleys and the oil drain-back holes. The High Volume pump requires more horsepower to drive the pump, robbing that power from the power that can be put to the ground. the added volume of oil would just be pushed past the oil pressure relief valve, due to the fact the oiling system would not support the added volume of oil. That oil that goes through the relief valve gets needlessly heated, by being pressurized by the pump, then gets dumped back into the oil pan. There is also added strain to the oil pump dive mechanism, putting unnecessary strain on the oil pump dive gear mechanism and causing harmonic vibrations on the camshaft and through the rest of the valve train.

Odds are you wouldn't break anything using the HV oil pump, but you would just be loosing HP to the pump and slightly accelerated wear and tear on the oil pump drive gear and cam gears. If you don't have the need for the added volume, why waste the power? As I said before the '93 and older pump will suffice just about all street driven performance applications, I seriously doubt you are going much over the 6000rpm rev limit (if at all), let alone, sustaining over 7000rpm.

Re: 2200 oil pan

Sunday, February 11, 2007 1:19 PM

2200cavfire

thanks a whole lot..., you have been very helpful, i will just get the stock one

Re: 2200 oil pan

Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:45 PM

OHV notec

I bought a HV pump a few years back, still have it, probably won't end up using it though. By the time you need it, your car would probably benefit from a dry-sump system more...

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