okay i acknowledge that under certain applications one header is better than the other. But I want to know which is overall the best header for the LD9. I am inquirying on this subject due to the price of the rksport header. The retail list price is $450. I was thinking of going with it in cause of its overall design and appereance but others seem to be satisfied with the $150 OBX and $200 something PaceSetter Header. So to conclude, what header for my LD9 does everybody prefer with my setup: HO intake Manifold with 56mm tbody, soon secret cams and port N polish head. Any comments will be taken into consideraton.
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So ya'll are saying that the header for the our engine on that site is the best header available?
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The bill n' stans is most definately the most expensive, which makes it THE BEST.
well maybe not, but you just have to assume it has of decent quality and engineering in order to justify the price. Pauls looks very sensual, and I would most definately call it in a league of its own when compared to obx and such.
They all do a fairly decent job over the stock manifold, but you have to consider what you want. Do you want high end HP or low end torque. If the latter is true then go with a good quality 4-2-1 design. Oh and don't complain about the cost...a downpipe for my REX with a high flow cat in it is anywhere from $450 to $700...and a header is over $700.
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Pacesetter 4-1 header with Ceramic coat.
I've had this header now for over 7 years and no problems, no rust, and 110,000 miles on it. Not to mention, about 500 time slips to go along with it.
You'd be surprised with who is running the Pacesetter but keep quiet about it.
Do a search and see for yourself.
This is what I did and found those that use it, asked them the questions, and have still to see a better header for the money.
Good luck with your decision man.
The DCSports header would be your best buy but don't know of anyone selling it.
Also, the Stans header is way expensive and only gives you supposedly 2-4 more horsepower.
It's your decision.
Good luck.
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DC Sports hands down.
You wont find a header with the same quality and finish. The welds on these things are like no other.
You guys seem to be forgetting that the stans header comes with the downpipe and highflow cat, so of course it cost more. Here is the deal the only two to avoid are the OBX because it is a poor quality knock off and the painted pacesetter because it burns off the paint then rusts and looks bad. You preety much can't go wrong with any of the others mentioned.
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Wade Jarvis wrote:You guys seem to be forgetting that the stans header comes with the downpipe and highflow cat, so of course it cost more. Here is the deal the only two to avoid are the OBX because it is a poor quality knock off and the painted pacesetter because it burns off the paint then rusts and looks bad. You preety much can't go wrong with any of the others mentioned.
When you refer to the painted pacesetter do you mean the black one or the ceramic coat finish? Im looking for high end torque cause (i know i shouldn't be doing this) but last night i was racing a integra and a old moder civic, I beat the integra but was side to side next to the civic, then as we got to 100 he started to pull on me slowly so i got 2nd. Does rksport still offer the 4-1 design cause i heard this was better. But what i dont understand is how do i know which header to get if i want hi end or low end torque. One more q, the rksport header for 450, I see a web thread like cone at the end of the piping, does this mean its a cat. Just want to make sure. And is it a hi flow, pretty sure it is. Thankz
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I see a web thread like cone at the end of the piping, does this mean its a cat. Just want to make sure. And is it a hi flow, pretty sure it is
That's the flex pipe.
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i have the obx header on my cavy i noticed a good hp increase
highrever wrote:i have the obx header on my cavy i noticed a good hp increase
are you sure it just wasn't louder?
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The collector of the OBX tends to cover at least two of the primary tubes, causing restriction. I've seen this on a couple of examples with the product and their collector is so small, you basically lose low end torque. The collector size and length is critical for power gain in the middle range of your rpms and can make or break the design of the header.
This isn't the case on the Pacesetter or other headers offered.
If you do choose Pacesetter, the Ceramic coat is the way to go. 7 years on my car and they still look great.
4 to 1 header will bring your powerband to the upper end of the rpms whereas the 4-2-1 will increase power more in the middle bands of your rpms with good torque throughout all rpms.
Stans it number one choice, period.
DCSports is second.
Pacesetter is third for price and performance.
RKSport is 4th because of the pricepoint.
OBX would be last.
My picks, good luck.
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pacesetter ceramic coated, i love it, it holds up like misnblu says, and i think it performs amazingly
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i got the obx and an happy. probaly best deal out there, it had the down pipe unlike som moe expensive ones. gave me a goos gain in the middle to high powerband. its the 4-1 and i can feel it pull harder around 3000 and up. I dont think i lost anything from my low like some ppl say. the 2.4 has lots of low end anny way due the the displacement.
oKAY redardless about the price on the rksport header, is it a good perfomance header and since its offered as 4-2-1 I should expect gains in the middle of the power band?
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is it a good perfomance header and since its offered as 4-2-1 I should expect gains in the middle of the power band?
See below.
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4 to 1 header will bring your powerband to the upper end of the rpms whereas the 4-2-1 will increase power more in the middle bands of your rpms with good torque throughout all rpms.
Sounds like you're stuck on the RK header so that should give you your answer.
Good luck.
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its not that im stuck on the rksport header its just that i love the design and look of it, its not plain like the pace setter. But now am stuck between the pace setter because of price and the rksport. Does anyone have the 421 rksport and how do u like it?
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I have the RKS 4-2-1 and I love it. Not going to be repetitive on my thoughts on it. But here is what I said:
http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=2&i=386200&t=386010&p=1
Pacesetter was never an option for me, as I had a bad experience with them and knew of others that did too.
DC, I did not like their design. But I bet it is a good product.
Stans... I did not see anything special to justify the price. And to say "it is expensive so it must means good."
What a ridiculous logic.
If you are worried that you will not gain top-end HP on this RKS 4-2-1, let me tell you my biggest gains was from 4500-6500 rpms as the power band shifted upwards without sacrificing to much low-end torque. Which IMO is great on a FWD.
As for buying, I dealt with Karo and would not go with any other.
Good-luck.
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the stans costs what it does due to the fact that it includes a header, downpipe and the catalytic converter. the stans header also dynod 5whp higher then the rk sport one as well.
Does the DC have a flexable down pipe? I was looking at the picture of them and couldn't tell if there was some give there or not. It probably doesn't but wanted to check.
LAFNGAS wrote:the stans costs what it does due to the fact that it includes a header, downpipe and the catalytic converter. the stans header also dynod 5whp higher then the rk sport one as well.
Like I said, still does not justify the price.
And they never compared their product to the RKS 4-2-1 header just the older 4-1 design, so their dyno is void.
The ^ link I provided has their link showing their ancient dyno run.
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