would new rocker arms valves and springs give me any more hp? just wondering cause i was thinking about installing them also how much more hp do you get from the jtuners 2.2 competition head?

Aftermarket valvesprings lower horsepower output. Also, JTuners has been out of business for a while now. If you want that head, contact Hypsy (ryne.com), but I would suggest the stage 1, as their valvetrain is just a stock replacement.



fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.

so if i got new valves and valve springs with rocker arms id go slower? and how much power would i get out of the patriot head?

There's no point in getting aftermarket valvesprings with a stock cam.



fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.

how do you replace the cam in are OHV's?

do those engine kits do much on import performance as far as hp or torque goes?

kurtis hendrix wrote:how do you replace the cam in are OHV's?

The cam is in the block. You have to pull the engine, remove the head, drop the oil pan and timing cover (good time to replace the timing set) and pull the cam.

I recommend you get a core cam from a salvage yard and have you favorite cam company regrind the cam for you.

Here's a link to a thread in which I've listed many of the older threads for 2.2L/2200 OHV performance.

well ive decided that im just gonna crap that idea and drop in teh LD9 its a direct fit right? i also plan on putting in a 5spd along with it

I won't lie, getting decent power isn't for the feint-of-heart! If you're used to working on V8's, all the same principals apply with this motor. It's best done with allot of knowledge and the technical know how to build performance engines. The only reasonably economical way to build these motors, is to do most of the work yourself, everything short of the machine work. After that doing all the measurements and assembly work yourself. Even then, it still take a fair share of money, though not as much as a DOHC motor. I've got the skills and knowledge to build a decent motor out of one, just not the money or time to do so. Very few on here have the time, money and resources to build one of these motors to their full potential, so you don't see but a very few really decent motors.

i have the knowledge to do it plus acces to a machine shop because i go to an automotive college where i live and they will do anyhting you want for free as learning oportunities. right next door is the body shop so thats where im gonna have my car painted for free but do you think its worth the money to do the ld9 swap? isnt it just a swap no modding needed at all

Look in the 3rd Gen forum. You can do a 3400 V6 swap pretty easily too. The 2nd gen guys with a stock 3400 and a slight tune are putting down something like 194-197whp. It's one hell of a nice increase over the 2.2. And I had a lot of crap on my 2.2.

kurtis hendrix wrote:i have the knowledge to do it

I'm really not trying to be an ass here, but judging by the questions you asked, you definately don't have the knowledge...

SHOoff wrote:Look in the 3rd Gen forum. You can do a 3400 V6 swap pretty easily too. The 2nd gen guys with a stock 3400 and a slight tune are putting down something like 194-197whp. It's one hell of a nice increase over the 2.2. And I had a lot of crap on my 2.2.

But then you have to work on a FWD V6 , something I vowed I would never own again.



fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.

i have the knowledge power to learn it

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But then you have to work on a FWD V6 , something I vowed I would never own again.

I know the feeling on that. ESPECIALLLY every time I have to do something to my GTP. Routine maintenanace sucks, like spark plugs and wires. I was acutally suprised when I put the 3400 in my Cav, that it actually has to have more room to work on it in the back than it would if it were in a Grand Am. It appears almost like it sits farther forward in the J-body than the N-body. Just the way the Chassis is set up I suppose.

the v-6 swap looks insanley hard to do with all that rewitring
im sticking with the 2.4 ld9 swap doesnt it fit right in with the wiring harness or does that need to be replaced to? what is everything that needs to be repl;aced with the swap?
besides the motor lol

also with all the money i need to put in for the swap could i just as easily upgrade the OHV to run faster than the stock 2.4?

no


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5-spd

so how much does this swap generally run then? a grand?

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the v-6 swap looks insanley hard to do with all that rewitring

The LD9 will require just as much rewiring. Any engine swap will.




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BlkCav wrote:no

Today must be opposite day...or you're thinking of a swapping in a questionable junkyard special...



fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.

so notec you seem to be all for the OHV's where did you get your turbo? i see those turbo kits on ebay for about a grand and i was thinng about buying oneof those instead of doing the swap seeing as i could smoke an ld9 with that

kurtis hendrix wrote:so notec you seem to be all for the OHV's where did you get your turbo? i see those turbo kits on ebay for about a grand and i was thinng about buying oneof those instead of doing the swap seeing as i could smoke an ld9 with that

Those "kits" don't include most of the stuff you actually need, and what is included is junk...stay away.
I pulled a T3 turbo from the junkyard, and bought a rebuild kit for it on ebay. Built a manifold (you can actually buy them now, and for a decent price I might add), made some charge pipes and whatnot from junk I had laying around, or found in the junkyard (including the DSM BOV, and my collection of intercoolers). Add in HPTuners and you're good to go for less than that $1000.



fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.

lol the thing is i do not know how to weld and i do not have a welder in my garage and the kit does come with everything even a exhaust manifold that fits the turbo the only bad thing i see is it runs at 5lbs but with a little more parts i can get that number higher

Link me to the kit. I have yet to see one in that price range that actually came with a manifold (read the fine print). Most of the turbos won't last long at higher boost (some literally fall apart, most others have shotty seals). All the pipes will be generic bends, you still have to cut fit, and weld them together. You will still have to tap your pan and/or modify your oil fill tube, you will still have to create a mouting system for the intercooler...they aren't really "kits", they are just generic parts thrown together for you to try and make work.



fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.

yeah i tought about that and after searching around the net till 4am last night i decided that im gonna peice the kit together since i read that post that tells you what are all the parts needed peicing it together became a little less impossible. i was thinking about going super 60 t3 what do you guys think?