Where can you get these cams?
What aftermarket cams (besides the secret cams) can you buy?
also I heard the secret cams really don't do much. is this true?
When you buy aftermarket cams they usally come in kits with lifters and pushrods and all that
first off, the 2.4 LD9 doesnt have pushrods. im not aware of ANY aftermarket 2.4 cams that come with lifters-it would be nice, but they simply dont come in a 'kit' like v8 cams etc out there.
as for the secret cams not doing much, your correct there, they help, but they are just stock cams, but a tad bigger.
links that are going to help you:
JBO ftw
JBP
LZM stage 2
regardless of what cam you put in there, you wont get the full benefit of the cams without tuning the engine to operate with them. im sure the secret cams would work much better if the vehicle was tuned for them.
im actually debating on maybe tracking down a set of cams, secret cams or aftermarket, for if and when my car sees tuning.
1997 RedR - ZedR
For somebody that has W41 cams, you sure are dumb to check for different cams.
Gilles
2.3 Ho
are lzm stage 2 and jbp stage 2 the exact same cams just huge mark up from jbp?
lzm stage 2
Intake: 260*, 377
Exhaust: 268*, 375
Normal Price: $549.00
Sale Price: $499.00
jbp stage 2
Stage 2 2.4L LD9
Duration @ .050*, Valve Lift INTAKE 260*, 377 EXHAUST 268*, 375
Price: [$768.9 (US$745.83)]
gmanz24 wrote:are lzm stage 2 and jbp stage 2 the exact same cams just huge mark up from jbp?
I doubt they're made by the same company, but that's an interesting observation. I'd thought about the stage 2 JBP cams before but just thought they were too damn expensive. Never had heard of the LZM cams until now.
However, this
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intended for the serious enthusiast or the weekend drag racer
makes me wonder. Are the LZM stage 2 cams streetable, or would it be miserable to try to run them in a daily driver? I wouldn't mind lope, as long as the car will actually idle (actually I think it'd be cool sounding to have a 4 cylinder compact with a noticeable lope at idle...not something you hear every day), but if it's going to be a constant battle to get the car to idle, then probably not. I do a lot of city driving and I'd hate to have the car randomly stall once or twice a day at a light or something. Plus, gotta be tuneable by way of the stock computer and HPT.
I'm pretty sure the jbp stage 2 have a lil more duration. but don't hold me to that.
I have slightly tweaked JBP Stage 2 cams... they run great, no codes... very streetable if you're ok with torque loss down low for a kick in the ass at 4000 rpm to 8000 rpm.
Your choice.
-Chris-
-Sweetness-
-Turbocharged-
Slowly but surely may some day win this race...
i took those numbers straight off their own sales websites, so if they are not made by the same cam grinder.. can u say copy cats.
also sweetness with that kinda duration ur not having any kinda of issues with boosting on them they seem a little crazy for boost, i plan on running HO cams as soon as i have my step dad put the hex in it... and actually buy them lol, but i think HO ones would work awesome for now me being n/a and later when i put my turbo on
8000 rpms? the 2.4 can't handle 8000 or will even go to 8000
I am really happy with my w41 cams. Just curious to see what else is out there?
Jacob Smith wrote:8000 rpms? the 2.4 can't handle 8000 or will even go to 8000
i guess your not familiar with his build.
z yaaaa wrote:Jacob Smith wrote:
8000 rpms? the 2.4 can't handle 8000 or will even go to 8000
i guess your not familiar with his build.
Yeah, apparently not...anyways...
SweetnessGT wrote:I have slightly tweaked JBP Stage 2 cams... they run great, no codes... very streetable if you're ok with torque loss down low for a kick in the ass at 4000 rpm to 8000 rpm.
I wouldn't put the money down on the JBP cams now that I know of the LZM ones. When you say torque loss down low, do you mean like a total dog until you get to 4000 RPMs or just "not quite as much?" And as far as the 8000 RPM figure, I would think most likely with HPT a practical redline for most of us would be in the 7000-7200 RPM range - while not impossible 8000 RPMs obviously requires a hell of a tough build. Is the peak with these cams that high that 8000 RPMs is needed, or is that a function of your setup being turbo?
If an NA setup could be made with these cams and have that kick in the ass be from ~4000-7200, but still have a good, driveable car...I may just save the money I figured I'd put down in the future for secret cams until I can pick these up. 10.5:1 compression, oversized valves, upgraded springs, P&P, stage 2 LZM cams, plus all the bolt ons, and HPT with a 7200 RPM redline...could be a nice little setup.
i take my 2.4 to 7000 all the time no prob
SweetnessGT wrote:The setup you describd will be half decent but secret cams are good for paperweights if you're trying to do an N/A build... why waste your time with them?
Only reason I was really thinking about the secret cams is that they were pretty much the only choice I'd seen that didn't cost close to $800. Although realistically if you want the results, you have to spend the money. I just thought it seemed pretty close to highway robbery to spend that much for the JBP cams, basically because they were one of the few options out there. But, it's good to hear that for the money, you get a worthwhile product.
I got the JBP Stage 2's when they were $532. Lucky me.
it looks to me like the LZM is just a regrind and the JBP is a new cam ground from blanks, plus that other stuff in their little schpiel...
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JBP now has added roll-radius edges for beneficial lifter tolerance and balance durinig rotation of the bucket lifter. This machining technique which can only be performed by hand adds a perform edge that none of the large camshaft manufacturer perform... Also, if you notice the lobes are not shiny. A special treatment is added for anti-scuffing, a technique only available through JBP....Our grind values have also changed to accomodate porting and polishing techniques and match high fluid velocity numbers.
this could all just be talk to sell the product, though. does anyone have more technical knowledge about what they're referring to?
also, what's 377 and 375? I would have thought those were lift numbers (in thousandths of an inch), but that would be less lift than the w41 cams ( which are .410/.410, if i'm not mistaken).
LD9 F23 FTW!!
^^
Mostly because any larger lift then you would need to modify your cam towers.
They're designed with all factory hardware in mind.
-M
Remember....syringes go in the RED waste basket.
