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13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Saturday, August 11, 2007 12:39 PM

That's the good news, the bad news is I tried to run 14 P.S.I. and a rod bearing seized blowing it out the side of the oil pan.

For those in attendance at TorontoMotorsportsPark last night, sorry for shutting down the left lane.

Current mods,
STOCK motor 2.4l LD9, HPT tuned, 2 bar map with supercharger reflash.
T3/T04E 50trim
Tial B.O.V.
spearco intercooler
cast iron top mount exhaust manifold with a 38mm turbosmart external wastegate
2.5" intercooler piping
3"downpipe
Stg 3+ clutch and aluminum flywheel
nitto drag radials
NGK TR7's.

I drove the car for several days at 10P.S.I. no problems, A/R around 11.5-11.9. When I cranked it up to 14 P.S.I. I hadn't had a chance to tune it properly and was running A/F around 13.5 which didn't help with the motor failure.

So, for those wondering whether or not you need a built motor with a turbo set-up, here is proof that you can only go so far with a stock motor before you have a serious problem.

Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Saturday, August 11, 2007 12:40 PM
And, 750cc injectors ^^^^^^^
Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:57 PM
sorry to hear about that any ideal what you were running for hp?


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Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:51 PM
Roughly 300whp. I didn't get a chance to go to the dyno.
Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:54 PM
you ran 14psi and 13.5:1 a/f ?

that completely explained your motor failure, plus with it being stock it was in no shape to handle that in the first place.


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Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:17 PM
Were you running a stock fuel pump or an upgrade like a Walbro 255 lph?


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Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:49 PM
i for one think it could have handled it that night if it was properly tuned.

forged internals dont like running lean either, just because you add that factor in the equation doesnt mean shiity tuning is acceptable.




Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:50 PM
Good times man











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Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Saturday, August 11, 2007 6:57 PM
Yeah...you definitely can't say that the engine couldn't have handled 14 psi because it blew in your case - it wasn't tuned for it, what would you expect? I would think 14 psi would be pushing it on a stock 2.4, but simply cranking up the boost without adjusting the tune at all is asking for trouble - just like throwing a turbo on, setting it to 6 psi, then leaving the stock tune, and wondering why it blows up. Hell I probably wouldn't run the car N/A at 13.5:1, let alone turbo.

Nice time though...just make sure next time around you're a little more careful about the tuning before cranking up the boost.
Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Saturday, August 11, 2007 10:08 PM
SpyhunteR wrote:you ran 14psi and 13.5:1 a/f ?

that completely explained your motor failure, plus with it being stock it was in no shape to handle that in the first place.


x2 should have just tried to improve on your 60fts and stay in the safe boost level



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Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:26 AM
Agreed with the rest - I ran my stock LD9 at 15 psi... for quite a while.

Your issue was AFR's and timing advance... no doubt in my mind that you were over-advanced for that heat range and your AFR's aided in pre-ignition. 13.5 under boost? You can't even really run a n/a car like that let alone one with 14 pounds of pressure above atmospheric + the heat that comes with it.

You were playing with fire and lost badly.

Lastly - the GMSC tune is... well... garbage for a turbo car. Lots of fuel mid range tapering off to zip-all up top along with a poor timing curve for a turbo setup... All I can say is had you kept it at 10 psi and re-tuned for 14 you would have been fine.

And just so you know, forged and heat-coated internals wouldn't have held up to that under 90% + load.... you would have blown ANY engine running what you did. It was just poor tuning and a poor decision that blew the motor, not any one failure internally.

Good luck.

-Chris-



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Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Sunday, August 12, 2007 3:30 PM
That sucks.


Edited 1 time(s). Last edited Sunday, August 12, 2007 3:36 PM


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Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:25 PM
agree with everyone else that it was too lean, but how can that lean condition cause a rod bearing to seize?

i mean i can understand if it was a fried ring or blown ringland or something to due with the piston being fubared.

iv just never heard of a rod bearing seizing due to being lean..


you have the 2.4 any chance your around 60-100k on the motor and it was a #3 rod bearing??


by the way. 10 to 14psi is a pretty big increase with zero tuning.. just somethgin tto think about with a new motor. congrats on the times. im sorry that happend though.


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Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Wednesday, August 15, 2007 7:12 PM
^^^^ Good call, The motor did have 80 000km and it was the no. 3 cylinder.

The piston did NOT blow apart, crack or fail for that matter, all of which would be indicitive of detonation. I have a hole in the side of the block and the oil pan from the rod smashing into it.

As for all the other comments. I knew what I was risking by cranking up the boost and not ve tuning, The motor was $400.00 from the boneyard 2 years ago, I'm not the least bit upset about it or surprised that it broke.

Regardless, thanks for the feedback.
Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:51 PM
Hey JS did you have a stock fuel pump or an aftermarket and did you have an adjustable pressure regulator or stock?


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Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:27 AM
J S wrote:^^^^ Good call, The motor did have 80 000km and it was the no. 3 cylinder.

The piston did NOT blow apart, crack or fail for that matter, all of which would be indicitive of detonation. I have a hole in the side of the block and the oil pan from the rod smashing into it.

As for all the other comments. I knew what I was risking by cranking up the boost and not ve tuning, The motor was $400.00 from the boneyard 2 years ago, I'm not the least bit upset about it or surprised that it broke.

Regardless, thanks for the feedback.


interesting. i dont think it blew from a lean conditon. that wouldnt cause you to throw a rod either. leaing out would fubar the top end.. piston, valves, etc.

ld9s are really known for the #3 bearing to spin with that kind of miles on it. as well as the water pump going out.

honestly, i think it was a coinsidence it blew when u turned the boost up.

can u post pics of the piston(s)? is there any sign of detonation? burnt valve(s)? or is it all due to the rod bearing seizing and throwing a rod?

300whp on the eco and ld9 seems to bee the limit of stock internals. some get lucky, some dont.

reguardless if its 15psi making 300whp or 8psi making 300whp




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Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Thursday, August 16, 2007 10:58 AM
Sounds like the oil pump problem. I mean if it wasn't then your motor wasn't gonna last anyways with that setup. lol.

Anyways, don't feel bad about the LD9, the RB26 is only a good motor after a $1000 Oil pump swap too. That motor fails all day long at higher power levels on the stock oil pump.
Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:51 PM
no... it sounds like another common ld9 that spun a #3 rod bearing at close to 100k. its a common problem.


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Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Thursday, August 16, 2007 4:34 PM
Well, it sounds like just a coincidence, but I'm betting that the engine wouldn't have lasted long at how you were running it.

Just take the opportunity of having to rebuild it, and design the motor to do what you want it to.
Most of all, tune the thing properly. You will get more out of it than just cranking up the boost.






Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Thursday, August 16, 2007 7:34 PM
John H [CavalierKid wrote:]no... it sounds like another common ld9 that spun a #3 rod bearing at close to 100k. its a common problem.



what causes it i have 66k on mine


THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE, i have already died once and im still here so lets just leave it on the track
Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:38 PM
SCZ2400 wrote:
John H [CavalierKid wrote:]no... it sounds like another common ld9 that spun a #3 rod bearing at close to 100k. its a common problem.



what causes it i have 66k on mine


its just somethign thats prone to happening on the ld9 at around that kind of millage. one of the ld9 guys might be able to chime in, idk if its a design flaw or something with the oil system? i really couldnt tell you.

and i agree with quicklilcav. at 13.5 a/f under boost, that motor wouldnt have lasted long at all.. but i honestly dont think that its the reason it spun a bearing.


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Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Friday, August 17, 2007 12:36 PM
Spun bearing = Lack of oil.
Nice numbers BTW.



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Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Friday, August 17, 2007 2:25 PM
Quote:

Hey JS did you have a stock fuel pump or an aftermarket and did you have an adjustable pressure regulator or stock?

I have a stock fuel pump, adjustable fuel pressure regulator set to 45 P.S.I. and 750cc injectors.

Re: 13.372 @ 109.29, 10 P.S.I. (2.201 60ft.)
Friday, August 17, 2007 4:29 PM
just wow....



Blew it up, build numbers coming soon
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