Well i have been think of some idea's for the new car when i finally get the money together.
I'll most likely be purchasing a 1997 sunfire 2.2 with a 5 spd.Now i know their fairly slow stock at around 115hp.So i've come up with 2 plans of action to hit a goal of 200 hp.
The first being turbocharging the 2.2.I figure that can put me up around 200 hp on the stock internals and such.Even more if i do decide to up the internals of the motor.i've seen some sunfires with 250hp+ on the net with upgraded internals.I figure to get agood kit and have it be reliable and street-able as an everyday driver i would be looking at around 3500 as a price range.
The second route is swapping in a a 2.4 twin cam.I found a few in junkyards around here.Yet they have been sitting for a while.My cousin even has a 2.4 that's been sitting for a while(4years) that i may be able to get my hands on(pending a court case... why they did not go to court over the accident, is beyond me) for free.. i'd just have to do some rebuilding of the motor.Then i could supercharge it and be in the 200hp range.
My biggest concern is being able to have it reliable as a daily driver... yet still have a bit of power.
I know the 2.2 is quite a good motor in the stock for.. but can it handle any amount of boost?
I also know the 2.4 isn't quite as reliable as the 2.2 but it may or may not be reliable with the s/c on it.
Any thoughts or input would be great.
1999 2.2 auto
You can boost the 2.2l and still have it streetable (6psi is most common without replacing the injectors). If you're wanting to go with the 2.4l, you'd have to get the transmission for it as well, the 2.2l and the 2.4l do not use the same one. $3500 is a pretty decent amount of money as far as modding goes, as long as you're putting all of it into the engine you'll enjoy the results.
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I figured the 3500 would be the most i would have to spend to get it running great.
Such as better pistons and rods.I've looked around at the kits and such and most ballpark around 2500 for everything in the kit.I looked at one for the 2.2 and it stated that most gain anywhere from 80-100 hp on 6 psi with the stock motor.
So far i'm just playing with the idea's.I don't even have the car yet and just looking for a build to do in spring or summer.
1999 2.2 auto
Well, it all depends on how you go about it. Buying parts to make your own turbo kit is much cheaper than the kits you'll find online. You won't have to worry about pistons for 200hp, the bottom end of the 2.2 is supposed to withstand 250. I would recommend getting some headwork done and possibly a cam.
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slick02eco wrote:Swap in the eco, and boost, @!#$ the 2.2 piece!
Why would he get an eco when he has a readily available 2.4? They both require a different transmission.
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Yeah good luck with a 2.4 that has been sitting for 4 years, he would spend a @!#$ load rebuilding it. He would be better off with getting the eco.
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Buy a prelude or somethin with 200 hp already?
slick02eco wrote:Yeah good luck with a 2.4 that has been sitting for 4 years, he would spend a @!#$ load rebuilding it. He would be better off with getting the eco.
you've never done a swap for an eco have you?
2.4 swap would be easier
No but i was just saying that because the 2.4 has been sitting for 4 years and there might be alot of repairs that need to be done to it in order for it to run well, but that depends on where it has been sitting, If he could get one that would be in better condition I would say go with the 2.4 then. Sorry I was just giving my opinion. I just have driven both and like the eco better.
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slick02eco wrote:Swap in the eco, and boost, @!#$ the 2.2 piece!
There is nothing wrong with the OHV...... Propery tuned they can hold close to 300whp with a stock bottom end....
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ImPhat0260/Cavattack2000 wrote:slick02eco wrote:Swap in the eco, and boost, @!#$ the 2.2 piece!
There is nothing wrong with the OHV...... Propery tuned they can hold close to 300whp with a stock bottom end....
That's never going to sink in through the thick skulls of the .ORG lol
fortune cookie say: better a delay than a disaster
I just have had bad experiences with the 2.2 OHV and didnt know it could handle that. Lol I am gonna keep outta this now. lol.
Lol that made it sink in for me. I will no longer bash it cause of my one bad 2.2 ohv.
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booo on the eco, yaay on the TC
easiest way is to just buy a new(ish) Z24 (or GT) and just go from there. preferrably 00+ cause then you get the Getrag
..all of that delicious torque handling of a tranny. Just makes me all tingly inside.
Check out the classifieds!!
Performance parts here!
I say keep the 2200!! it may take a lot more work to build it to compete with the eco or 2.4 but not many are willing to do it.
where's wade when you need him.
really dont know what im pushin to the wheels right now since the build (havent dynoed yet) but if i guesstimated it i would say round 150 h.p. maybe a lil off though but after throwing the turbo on and tuned might be round 200h.p. gotta get this damn thing dynoed.....
hondas are like tampons.....every pu$$y needs one...
mildly built 99' ln2, eagle h-beam rods, wiseco forged alum. pistons, cusco oil catch, t3/t4 super 60 garret, tial 40 mm wastegate, hp tuners, prothane mount inserts, 2.5" exhaust.
Well from what i can figure.Using the 4 old 2.4 is quite tough... having to rebuild it and all.Although i could probably get it for free.I could also find another 2.4 in a junkyard around here,i've seen quite a few actually.I'm just not sure if i'll be wanting to do that much work.
Putting a turbo on the ln2 seems like it may be simple and an easier job than having to do a ld9 swap.I could make around 200+hp and still be safe on the bottom end.I would just need a bit of head work(?)
With the amount of turbo parts on the org ad well as used kits i could even get a working turbo for under 1500 or so.I have seen people selling their kits for around 1000.Sure i may be using a turbo set-up that already has miles on it but i'd have a turbo.
Another question that i have is this. Once i get the turbo i know it's going to need to be tuned.I don't even want to go anywhere near my car with some software and go messing up the computer.I'm assuming that most dyno places can tune it up reasonably so that it runs properly and it won't blow itself up or something... or will i need to take it to some guru with hp tuners?
1999 2.2 auto
Schaffer wrote:I would just need a bit of head work(?)
No, the head is fine, it doesn't "take" power (there's no real load on it from the increased power that requires an upgrade).
There are a couple guys on here that will do HP Tuning through the mail IIRC. It's not ideal, but it's good enough.
fortune cookie say: better a delay than a disaster
Rob Durrett wrote:
You can boost the 2.2l and still have it streetable (6psi is most common without replacing the injectors
you should never boost a car without upgrading the injectors.. ever
Schaffer wrote:
I figured the 3500 would be the most i would have to spend to get it running great.
Such as better pistons and rods.I've looked around at the kits and such and most ballpark around 2500 for everything in the kit.I looked at one for the 2.2 and it stated that most gain anywhere from 80-100 hp on 6 psi with the stock motor.
if you're doing pistons and rods, 200hp is child's play. if thats all you want, I wouldn't bother with opening the bottom end. Also, I don't think there's anyplace reputable that makes a turbo kit for your engine. Your best bet is to build your own
OHV notec wrote:ImPhat0260/Cavattack2000 wrote:slick02eco wrote:Swap in the eco, and boost, @!#$ the 2.2 piece!
There is nothing wrong with the OHV...... Propery tuned they can hold close to 300whp with a stock bottom end....
That's never going to sink in through the thick skulls of the .ORG lol
how many OHVs are doing that? so far I count zero.
ryan's at 244 (and that number will go up from what I hear
) but thats still 56hp shy
Well more horsepower is always what i want. Hitting 200 is just a goal right now.With that i could outrun 75 percent of the car's in my area.No i'm not street racing, i just want to be able to have the bragging rights.Sure i can beat your mustang, but i'm not going to race you.
From what i have looked at, i would have to piece together my own kit or just buy one from the classifieds and then i would have everything i would need(possibly). But then again i am buying a used kit.
1999 2.2 auto
if your considering swapping engines to get an easy 200hp have you even thought about a quad4?? 180-190hp STOCK..theres no boost so no tuning involved..itll bolt straight up in the engine bay so no fab work..and with mere bolt ons youll get 200 bhp ...?? anyone even recommended this yet??
^pretty sure the quad 4s making that much power were OBD-1 engines.. which means um.. illegal.
I want to say you're speaking about the w41 and LGO, but I'll be the first to admit my old school GM 4 cylinder knowledge is lacking
you could retrograde to OBD1 but yea bye bye emissions passing
if the OP wants something to push way beyond 200hp (probably could be done all motor) and even 300hp (with boost of course), the 2.4 would be his best bet
if all the OP wants is 200whp and some change, I say stick with the OHV and just boost it.
