Ok well my buddy is big into his 4x4 rock crawling and does some professional rock crawling... He was showing me how he uses a Ford F-150 oil filter on his 2004 Jeep TJ as it is quite a bit bigger then the TJ filter... not really any major benefit other then more oil holding capacity and in some cases better filtering..

Just wondering if any one new about another vehicle that we share the same oil filter thread with?



The First Twin Charged jbody
blue car (R.I.P) - 240whp @7psi..
silver car - 305whp 315lbs.tq @15psi (91 Octane) or 420whp & 425lbs.TQ @20psi (94 octane+Alcohol Injection)
All dynos run on a Mustang dyno

i dont remebr if the 2.4 uses a pf 46 or pf 47


either way

pf-46------is the same as a pf-61

pf47--------is the same as a pf 52




they are about double the size

these are acdelco filters too

thank you... so any one know if the 2.4L is a pf 46 or 47?



The First Twin Charged jbody
blue car (R.I.P) - 240whp @7psi..
silver car - 305whp 315lbs.tq @15psi (91 Octane) or 420whp & 425lbs.TQ @20psi (94 octane+Alcohol Injection)
All dynos run on a Mustang dyno

It's a pf 46

yep, its a pf 46


Sam

perfect thanks



The First Twin Charged jbody
blue car (R.I.P) - 240whp @7psi..
silver car - 305whp 315lbs.tq @15psi (91 Octane) or 420whp & 425lbs.TQ @20psi (94 octane+Alcohol Injection)
All dynos run on a Mustang dyno

is there an advantage of running a larger filter? performance? better oil cooling? i know it would provide better filtration
on my plymouth made it easier to remove the filter


driving fast never killed anyone it was the sudden stop

Holds slightly more oil, and more filtration media, plus a bigger filter is usually easier to grasp, so makes oil changes easier usually.

.....

THE PF-61 DOES NOT have a anti-drainback valve.

you people really need to read\watch the GM TEC vids that say NOT TO USE an over size filtler on a quad-4.
(it says at high RPM it can spin off.)

if your worried about how good it filtlers, A change the oil sooner, B use a UPF-44.

but to answer the question. yes a 46/61 have the same threds, and a 47/51 are the same.
2.4's use 46's 2.3's use 47's

Chris


'02 Z-24 Supercharged
13.7 @102.45 MPH Third Place, 2007 GMSC Bash SOLD AS OF 01MAR08

this is what i use....

original filter
Champ PH44


Applications
American Motors (1983-86), GM Products (1975-77, 96-08), Jeep (1983-86) (GM 25010633)

Dimensions
Description....... Inches ........MM
O.D.: ....................3.00........ [76mm]
Height: ................3.11........ [79mm]
I.D.: .....................13/16"-16 Thd.
PSI Relief: ..........None
Anti-Drain:........... Yes

Larger Filter
PH51A

Applications
GM Products (1980-05), Isuzu (1997-99) (AC PF52; GM 25012760)

Dimensions
Description........ Inches........ MM
O.D.: .....................3.00........... [76mm]
Height: .................4.44 ...........[113mm]
I.D.: .......................M18 x 1.5 Thd.
PSI Relief: ...........None
Anti-Drain: ...........Yes




if you really want to do some major cross referencing....

http://www.champlabs.com/contact/support.html

call the filter hotline.



1997 RedR - ZedR

napa gold 1522 works as well

wow i dont know that,

the guys(idiots i presume) that changed my oil @ the pontiac dealer always used the bigger filter.
and i never had a problem.

i use one of two oil filters either
fram PH3506
wix 51042
which ever my grand pa has in stock
never had a problem with either


driving fast never killed anyone it was the sudden stop

looks like us eco guys are up sh!t creek...without a paddle

whitegoose( RedR-ZedR) wrote:this is what i use....

original filter
Champ PH44


Applications
American Motors (1983-86), GM Products (1975-77, 96-08), Jeep (1983-86) (GM 25010633)

Dimensions
Description....... Inches ........MM
O.D.: ....................3.00........ [76mm]
Height: ................3.11........ [79mm]
I.D.: .....................13/16"-16 Thd.
PSI Relief: ..........None
Anti-Drain:........... Yes

Larger Filter
PH51A

Applications
GM Products (1980-05), Isuzu (1997-99) (AC PF52; GM 25012760)

Dimensions
Description........ Inches........ MM
O.D.: .....................3.00........... [76mm]
Height: .................4.44 ...........[113mm]
I.D.: .......................M18 x 1.5 Thd.
PSI Relief: ...........None
Anti-Drain: ...........Yes




if you really want to do some major cross referencing....

http://www.champlabs.com/contact/support.html

call the filter hotline.

thanks for that... so is it the 18 x 1.5 or the 13/16" - 16 thread? for the stock thread

Snowman wrote:wow i dont know that,

the guys(idiots i presume) that changed my oil @ the pontiac dealer always used the bigger filter.
and i never had a problem.

bigger is better... to a point... it definatly wont hurt and thing



The First Twin Charged jbody
blue car (R.I.P) - 240whp @7psi..
silver car - 305whp 315lbs.tq @15psi (91 Octane) or 420whp & 425lbs.TQ @20psi (94 octane+Alcohol Injection)
All dynos run on a Mustang dyno

the 52 has the valve.

the 61, the one we need on a 2.4!, dose not.

but go ahead and try, see what happens.

my @!#$ just has 136K on it now becasue i never race, beat on it, or treat it bad in general.

Chris


'02 Z-24 Supercharged
13.7 @102.45 MPH Third Place, 2007 GMSC Bash SOLD AS OF 01MAR08

Josh F wrote:

whitegoose( RedR-ZedR) wrote:this is what i use....

original filter
Champ PH44


Applications
American Motors (1983-86), GM Products (1975-77, 96-08), Jeep (1983-86) (GM 25010633)

Dimensions
Description....... Inches ........MM
O.D.: ....................3.00........ [76mm]
Height: ................3.11........ [79mm]
I.D.: .....................13/16"-16 Thd.
PSI Relief: ..........None
Anti-Drain:........... Yes

Larger Filter
PH51A

Applications
GM Products (1980-05), Isuzu (1997-99) (AC PF52; GM 25012760)

Dimensions
Description........ Inches........ MM
O.D.: .....................3.00........... [76mm]
Height: .................4.44 ...........[113mm]
I.D.: .......................M18 x 1.5 Thd.
PSI Relief: ...........None
Anti-Drain: ...........Yes




if you really want to do some major cross referencing....

http://www.champlabs.com/contact/support.html

call the filter hotline.

thanks for that... so is it the 18 x 1.5 or the 13/16" - 16 thread? for the stock thread

Snowman wrote:wow i dont know that,

the guys(idiots i presume) that changed my oil @ the pontiac dealer always used the bigger filter.
and i never had a problem.

bigger is better... to a point... it definatly wont hurt and thing

in the past when i called the filter hotline, they have told me that the if there is physical room, the larger filter will work....

here is the problem though.

i posted up the wrong larger filter.

so 2.4 LD9

ORIGINAL FILTER

PH44

Applications
American Motors (1983-86), GM Products (1975-77, 96-08), Jeep (1983-86) (GM 25010633)

Dimensions
Description...... Inches...... MM
O.D.: ...................3.00........ [76mm]
Height: ...............3.11........ [79mm]
I.D.: ....................13/16"-16 Thd.
PSI Relief: .........None
Anti-Drain: .........Yes


LARGER FILTER

PH59

Applications
Cadillac (1972-08), GM Trucks (1999-08), Oldsmobile (1970-90, 95-04), Pontiac (1978-99, 2004-08) (AC PF59)

Dimensions
Description..... Inches..... MM
O.D.: ..................2.97 .........[75mm]
Height:.............. 4.44 .........[113mm]
I.D.: .................13/16-16NS Thd.
PSI Relief:............ No
Anti-Drain:........... Yes


2.2/2200 LN2

ORIGINAL

PH47

Applications
American Motors (1980-84), GM Products (1975-08), Isuzu (1989-94, 96-03) (AC PF47; GM 6439929, 25010792)

Dimensions
Description .......Inches ......MM
O.D.: ...................2.96....... [75mm]
Height: ...............3.11....... [79mm]
I.D.: .....................M18 x 1.5 Thd.
PSI Relief: .........None
Anti-Drain: .........Yes


LARGER

PH51A

GM Products (1980-05), Isuzu (1997-99) (AC PF52; GM 25012760)

Dimensions
Description...... Inches...... MM
O.D.: ...................3.00 .......[76mm]
Height: ...............4.44....... [113mm]
I.D.: .....................M18 x 1.5 Thd.
PSI Relief: .........None
Anti-Drain: .........Yes




as for the Fram PH3506 and the Wix 51042, the cross reference to the Champ PH44.

the Napa Gold 1522 cross ref's to the PH59 Champ.

the Delco PF61 cross ref's to the Champ PH59, has an anti drain back.

if a filter is installed properly and has a good gasket, then it shouldnt go anywhere or spin off. its possible the gasket or threads were slightly different in length and the filter was bottoming out, not creating enough clamping force on the gasket of the filter to keep it on.

ive been using my larger filter for a while now and i do race it and haent had any problems as of yet.



1997 RedR - ZedR

Glad someone started this. Used the same idea on my dad's G-series van w/350ci V-8 (Saw it in Hot Rod). Been meaning to do the same with my truck's tu-tu but just didn't have the time to go to the store and visually compare them all... Thanks!

Go beyond the "bolt-on".

i ran a bigger filter on my cav at one point. i forget the # off hand. PF something. i think 51. i forget though.

3506 stock

3675 would be big enough thats what i just for my boosted grand am.

the wix # for a bigger filter is a 51522

I see no fault in running a Motorcraft filter... Heck, back in the day they used to brag about how their filters & plugs saw use in some very high-end specialty built cars (Mostly Ford's from what I remember but still), including A.J. Foyt's '69 Indy winner. And they were the same kind anyone could buy off the shelf, for cheap.

Go beyond the "bolt-on".

This is horrible. Use the filter recommended in your car. If you want to improve its purpose, buy a better filter.



Blew it up, build numbers coming soon

Just a thought: Has anyone here looked into Filtration Solutions FS 2500? It's a bypass-style filter that actually compliments the factory filtration and extends oil service intervals. They're really big with the diesel crowd (commercial, hobbist & daily driver). IIRC this is their site link:

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Give it a look and see!

Go beyond the "bolt-on".

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Go beyond the "bolt-on".