ok everyone this will spice thigns up, why does evevryone say stiick is better than an automatic, and say its faster? well the truth is its not it going to be the same if not the auto is quick because you dont shift gears, i know i know, pussy right? wrong most drag racers use automatics because they are better and dont have to worry about shifting just slam you foot and your good to go..if you going to tell me stick is faster or better than your wrong. bc if you have 2 complete stock cars one stick one auto it will be a tie no matter what, unless you cant drive a stick..people at work were arguing so i thought i would let eveyone know this should be exciting..
I cant stand auto's. They never shift when you want them too, unlike a manual. I can shift my manual faster than a unmodded auto. Plus i get bored with an auto.
Drag cars have autos, but the have manual valve bodies and are shifted manually. They just elimanated the clutch.
You have a greater hp loss throught your drivetrain with an auto, cuz og the amount of fluid you have to move around. Unlike a manual where the oil is used for lubercation and sometimes cooling, not shifting.
So in the end, Automatics a.k.a. slushboxes suck balls.
stick is faster, you can wind gears out more, and i can shift just as fast as an auto, if not faster, so it will be faster in the end.
I agree with everyone else, auto's are slower than manuals because of their shifting. Auto's have certain shift points depending on how your driving where as a stick can shift whenever you need to. Now you can make an auto just as quick or maybe quicker than a stick shift but it'd take some work.
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You need to do a little more research before mouthing absurd claims.
Both manual and automatic transmissions have "Gears" and they come in different "Ratios". Drag racers use automatics because they are much more consistant on the launch and gear shifts. They also don't have the same gear ratios you have in your economy car. They are matched as perfectly to their powerband as possible. They also will use all 4 gears, whereas our cars will only use 3 out of the 4 gears in the 1/4 mile.
As far as stock manual vs stock auto: The 5-speed cars run significantly faster 1/4 mile times because they can use their powerband much more efficiently than the stock 4t40e trans (they can use 4 gears). An auto trans also has a higher drain on the transfer of power at the flywheel to the front wheels.
As far as people saying they can shift faster than an auto, that may be true for stock, but increase line pressure to 100%, and I highly doubt ANY of you can shift faster.
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lol you guys are joking right your telling me if i shift my auto to the highest rpm it goes it doesnt matter...lol thats funny autos gears ride out further, and im talk stalk only no mods at all..
wow posted twice i agree whale about shifting quicker...
A modded auto can shift very fast. Auto use planetary gears and spread they spread the power out over more indvidual gears. While manual transmissions nowadays have constant mesh gears and dont have the extra planet gears to spead the power between.
I didnt go to school for this for nothing.
im saying STOCK i dont get it do you read?
yea i do read im converin the modded cuz someone else is going to bring it up down the line. Do you think ahead?
and about stock for stock; pick 2 stock cars one auto and one standard. I'll take the standard and i'll wait for you at the end. Autos are slower for the fact that the shift points are set for fuel economy. Standards you shift whenever you want.
so can auto's 1st 2nd 3rd 4th.. you have 5 but 1st dont count bc its only 4mph to 20mph usally... plus sticks have a delay when you shift autos dont..
I disagree with most of you. There is no possible way that a stick is faster than an automatic. When an auto shifts there is no power loss. When a manual shifts, you let of the gas. I think stick is better, but not faster. stick will last longer mileage wise.
horsepower is the force that determines at what speed you hit the wall, torque is the force that determines how far you take the wall with you after you hit it.
If the auto and manual were geared the same and the power loss through the transmission was the same then the auto would be quicker and more efficient. However since an auto transmission is known to use more of the engines power while transferring to the wheels stock for stock the manual car will be faster. look at the peoples 1/4 mile times on this site. it is proven.
i can shift my girl's spyder as fast as my 4t40e could shift stock. and im not the best at stick. manuals have closer gears. and theres not nearly as much parasitic loss. when your talking in the neighborhood of 15 second quarter time, stick is the way to go. expecially because the majority of people in this class race for fun. now if your reaction times have a difference measured in thousandths, the clutch must be taken out of the equation.
i used to want to swap but i decided i can build my tranny for a simular price, its "easier" and consistancy means more than a tenth of a second anyways.
Listen F***ers. FASTERTHANAHONDA is a joke because I WORK FOR HONDA. I'll talk @!#$ about Fords to, that doesn't mean I can beat a 12 second mustang.
as far as i'm concerned this debate is over who's driving the car with the stick, not the cars. stock for stock, an auto (especially the 4 speeds when talking about Js) is pretty quick and fool proof since you can't miss a shift and its harder to mess up the launch. a stick shift however is all about the driver, there are more things that can go wrong with a manual, mess up the launch, miss a shift and more parts that could fail (clutch, shift cables,etc.). with an 'average' driver i think it would be an even match up. once you get into 'expert' drivers and modded autos its a whole different story. i believe i heard that with good tuning the 4 speed could be made to shift in .2 seconds. i'd like to see anyone shift a 5 speed j-body in .2 seconds. i know i can't engage clutch, move shifter and disengage clutch in that amount of time but i'm not an 'expert' driver either.
who really gives a crap? both have pro's and cons
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02 silver cavy wrote: When a manual shifts, you let of the gas.
you do? there have been times while racing at the track where i leave the foot on the gas the whole way down and kick that clutch as fast as i possibly can and pull into the next gear.
also i dont think i have seen many autos drop it at 4000 rpm.
manual>auto
99redz24 wrote:who really gives a crap? both have pro's and cons
That said it best....
Vincent Morris wrote:02 silver cavy wrote: When a manual shifts, you let of the gas.
you do? there have been times while racing at the track where i leave the foot on the gas the whole way down and kick that clutch as fast as i possibly can and pull into the next gear.
also i dont think i have seen many autos drop it at 4000 rpm.
manual>auto
Do you actually use the clutch when doing this??Most everyone Ive seen just slams them around......I think the origional poster thinks that you have to granny shift every time you change gears....which in daily driving is highly recomended...
Joe Ruark wrote:ok everyone this will spice thigns up, why does evevryone say stiick is better than an automatic, and say its faster? well the truth is its not it going to be the same if not the auto is quick because you dont shift gears, i know i know, pussy right? wrong most drag racers use automatics because they are better and dont have to worry about shifting just slam you foot and your good to go..if you going to tell me stick is faster or better than your wrong. bc if you have 2 complete stock cars one stick one auto it will be a tie no matter what, unless you cant drive a stick..people at work were arguing so i thought i would let eveyone know this should be exciting..
Let me start off with saying I didn't read any replys, I to busy laughing at you for a few minuets to read replys.
thats one of the most ignorant idiotic things I've read in a while.
1- Anyone who says one is better then the other... thats their opinion and they are entitled to it. "Better" doesn't mean faster to everyone, to someone better means faster, to someone else better means easer to drive (put it D and don't even think about it), its all opinion.
2- In a J-body a manual is without question faster then an automatic. Stock for stock a manual usually runs the 1/4 mile roughly .5 seconds faster.
3- "Well the truth is"... your an idiot, just because an auto shifts itself doesn't mean its quicker. There is so much more to it then that. The number of gears, the gear ratios, the torque converter stall speed, how fast the auto actually shifts, the drivetrain loss is always more in an automatic. You will always have more horsepower to the wheels in a manual trans then you will vs. the same engine exact engine hooked up to an automatic.
4- Your comparing drag racers to a j-body's... take like the Viper drag cars running 8 second 1/4 miles.... you try to manually shift through 6 gears accurately in 8 seconds, hitting it right will be rare. Thats the advantage right there, in very very fast drag cars.... in a j-body that entire point is not valid, theses aren't drag cars. In fact a j-body takes so long to go through the gears the viper is probably done with the 1/4 mile and you've only made one shift into 2nd... there is no advantage to the slower but consist unless you either can't drive a manual, or the car is to fast to actually keep up with manually shifting gears.
5- As for the 2 stock cars will tie.... again your way to ignorant to talk so confidently LOL. It depends on the car, in a J-body stock for stock a manual will easily put car lengths on an auto. Take something like the new VW GTI, the auto is faster then the manual. The auto and manual are both 6-speeds, their auto is not a regular automatic though its a DSG (direct shift gearbox), it literally shifts as fast as you blink your eyes, thats about how long it takes to be fully engaged in the next gear, because of that it doesn't loose any boost between shifts and it shifts faster then you could possibly shift a manual... the automatic IS faster.... but that kind of technology will NEVER be seen in or apply to a J-body.
THANK YOU DARKSTARS!!!
I thought my head was about to explode!
BEFORE supercharging my 05 LS Sport (5spd), I ran many races against my 03 LS Sport Sedan(auto), with the same results every time, The 5spd destroyed the auto.
Stock for Stock, and my 5spd is a definately heavier, (having the sunroof, onstar, phone, side airbags,and sub-box). None of which my auto have.
In the j-body community, bottom line,
STOCK vs STOCK, Manual is
KING!
Have a Nice Day!
cya
'05 LS Sport.....I miss my Z
These types of post come up all the time,a manual(stock vs. stock)will usually be faster depending on the driver.If your tlking 1/4 times,weight also plays a big factor.I disagree on the manual being a 1/2 sec faster but who am I to argue,my car is the heaviest type of J out there.
15.2@89mph 2.171 60ft. 9.830 1/8 R.I.P. "LULU"
Darkstars wrote:Joe Ruark
3- "Well the truth is"... your an idiot
This said it all for me.
Same mods my '01 5 speed was a full second faster than my old '96 auto. The .5 second figure I'd say is generous and pretty accurate.
4T40E hitting 3rd=fail.
"4T40E hitting 3rd=fail." This is the god awful truth
15.2@89mph 2.171 60ft. 9.830 1/8 R.I.P. "LULU"
like some people have said, both have their advantages and disadvantages.
MANUAL
PRO
- less parasitic loss on the engine due to less fluid and the ability to disengage the flywheel.
- has an extra gear, so gears are closer together.
- can shift when ever you want really
CONS
- too much dependence on driver and less consistent.
- when launching, there is no preload on the transmission. this can lead to damage (clutch, flywheel, etc)
- whether granny shifting or power shifting, shfts can take anywhere between (.2 to.5) seconds due to clutch, transmission gate, and just plain old maneuvering through the gears.
AUTO
Pros:
- constant load on torque converter, less "shock" on transmission when you mash the gas off the line.
- shifts can happen very quickly by reducing shift times, shift points, and line pressure (mine happen in .2-.3 of a second...every time)
Cons:
- shifts at red line from factory, but can be changed
- more of a parasitic loss b/c of the constant load on the torque converter
this by all means doesnt cover all the pros and cons of the transmissions.
personally, my auto is almost dialed in perfectly, why would i go and swap a manual now?
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