i cant burn out in my sunfire its a 2.2l with header high flow cat and custom cat back exaust also have a cold air intake it lags really bad when you punch it to the floor but after say about 25 mph it has plenty of power yes its an automatic am i asking to much??
Dude its not a V8 your not going to burnout from just flooring it. Also all your weight is over the wheels. Try holding the brake with your left foot and bringing the engine up to 2500rpm with your right then release brake. Also even with all those mods your probably only at 110hp at the wheels.
The Outlaw
98 Pontiac Sunfire (Christine)
2200 5spd
Red with Black racing stripes.
Don't let the punks get to you. If they can't say anything helpful its because they probably
have VERY LITTLE IF ANY MECHANICAL SKILLS . Talking crap is just their way of hiding that
fact. They figure the more crap they say the less likley anyone will know how dumb they are.
GMR has got nothing on this
throttle response has nothing to do with power.
and the 2.2L in stock form doesn't have power, nor torque. especially with an automatic. you're probably around 100tq if not less at the wheels, and 85hp
If youre looking for more throttle response on that motor, you really should consider opening up the head, port n polish, valves, etc. I did that and it get through the revs a bit quicker.
If you want to burn out from a dead stop with an auto OHV lol yes youre asking too much.
"A car just isn't a car without a little blood, sweat, and beers." -- Shadowfire
Yeah. Automatics sap more power from the engine than manuals do, which is why you usually don't see them in non-hybrid high-economy models (Like J-bodies).
If you really want to achieve a a standing-start burnout with a front-driver, adjust your parking brake cable carefully so that the shoes (If it's drum-style) braely start to drag. Now, pull the P-brake lever as tight as you can,and while holding the brake pedal as firmly as you can, lay onto the throttle until the engine reaches it's peak-torque RPM (Since the basic long-block assembly is still stock, this would be about 3200rpm) in gear, which will load-up the torque convertor to it's stall-speed, then relaese the brake pedal while still holding the engine at peak torque, then release the P-brake just as you hear the engine really start to bog-down.
A variation of this trick was used in the first season of the original Knight Rider series, since the T/As that were used in it only had the anemic Turbo-301 Pontiac V-8s under the hood, and for dramatic flair thay needed to get the car to "Peel-out" from a standing start when it was moving from a full stop in the action scenes.
Go beyond the "bolt-on".
I've always been satisfied with how "torquey" the 2.2 is off the line, but a burnout king it is not. Then again, my mark of comparison is against an underpowered 4-banger Toyota pickup truck I used to drive.
My co-worker used to drive a '93 Ford Tempo with 6-cylinder and auto. I was along side her at a stop light, and floored my 97 2.2 OHV. Not surprisingly, her car just walked away from mine. The real burn came when I found out she had never realized I was trying to race, and she was just driving normally. My only consolation was that her car threw a rod the following week.
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Nickelin Dimer wrote:
A variation of this trick was used in the first season of the original Knight Rider series, since the T/As that were used in it only had the anemic Turbo-301 Pontiac V-8s under the hood, and for dramatic flair thay needed to get the car to "Peel-out" from a standing start when it was moving from a full stop in the action scenes.
Actually they had chevy 305s. The Pontiac V8 was discontinued with the old body style in 81. 82 brought out the end of true pontiac power in the Trans Ams. But I still like my 3rd gens. The problem was they had weak motors combined with very high gears. Unless you got the 5spd with the 3.42s in the rear. Thats what my 85 had.
The Outlaw
98 Pontiac Sunfire (Christine)
2200 5spd
Red with Black racing stripes.
Don't let the punks get to you. If they can't say anything helpful its because they probably
have VERY LITTLE IF ANY MECHANICAL SKILLS . Talking crap is just their way of hiding that
fact. They figure the more crap they say the less likley anyone will know how dumb they are.
Throttle response is a myth.
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its the auto doing it i can do a good burnout with my 2.2 i have everything you have down with one diff i have the 5spd
Ya my sunfire can do it too. I just choose not because I don't feel like snapping cv's like I used to with my daytona.
The Outlaw
98 Pontiac Sunfire (Christine)
2200 5spd
Red with Black racing stripes.
Don't let the punks get to you. If they can't say anything helpful its because they probably
have VERY LITTLE IF ANY MECHANICAL SKILLS . Talking crap is just their way of hiding that
fact. They figure the more crap they say the less likley anyone will know how dumb they are.
the outlaw wrote:Nickelin Dimer wrote:
A variation of this trick was used in the first season of the original Knight Rider series, since the T/As that were used in it only had the anemic Turbo-301 Pontiac V-8s under the hood, and for dramatic flair thay needed to get the car to "Peel-out" from a standing start when it was moving from a full stop in the action scenes.
Actually they had chevy 305s. The Pontiac V8 was discontinued with the old body style in 81. 82 brought out the end of true pontiac power in the Trans Ams. But I still like my 3rd gens. The problem was they had weak motors combined with very high gears. Unless you got the 5spd with the 3.42s in the rear. Thats what my 85 had.
I Hate to argue with ya, but I recall that the '82s had the offset cowl-scoop style bump on the hood, in the V-8 trim models. And on the backside of it it clearly said Turbo 4.9L. They may have discontinued it in the following years, and even installed the technological dead-end of that time (Cross-Fire V-8), but it did eventually get the L98 (TPI 350) which had a world of difference. As for the highway gears, well... They did need to meet the CAFE standards set for those model-years.
Go beyond the "bolt-on".
Read this and you'll find I'm right. The Trans Ams are my favorite car. I also have a book with all their vins and rpos.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_Firebird
Read the end of the 2nd gen and beginning of the 3rd gen sections.
The Outlaw
98 Pontiac Sunfire (Christine)
2200 5spd
Red with Black racing stripes.
Don't let the punks get to you. If they can't say anything helpful its because they probably
have VERY LITTLE IF ANY MECHANICAL SKILLS . Talking crap is just their way of hiding that
fact. They figure the more crap they say the less likley anyone will know how dumb they are.
I have an 84, with the offset scoop, and it clearly said nothing on the side. It does have a vaccuum activated plate to allow cold air through the scoop directly into the air cleaner though.
82, there was NO turbo trans am, 81 was the last year for it.
Thanks John. The 301 turbos sucked. They suffered from massive turbo lag problems. They used a draw through carburated turbo setup which is the worst design ever conceived. Trust me I know, my 79 Regal has that same setup. Pontiac pirated it from Buick. They were also plagued with detonation problems as well. It's hard to believe the Grand National started off as that pile of crap. Buick had this setup until 84 when they went fuel injected.
The Outlaw
98 Pontiac Sunfire (Christine)
2200 5spd
Red with Black racing stripes.
Don't let the punks get to you. If they can't say anything helpful its because they probably
have VERY LITTLE IF ANY MECHANICAL SKILLS . Talking crap is just their way of hiding that
fact. They figure the more crap they say the less likley anyone will know how dumb they are.
thanks guys for all the info
yeah, I just recently learned about the origional GN which only a handful (literally) were turbo with the draw through.
I agree the whole setup is a turd, even though the prices for the turbo trans am's are starting to rise.
I wonder if the turbo yenko camaros had the same problem.......
Probably they all used the same system.
The Outlaw
98 Pontiac Sunfire (Christine)
2200 5spd
Red with Black racing stripes.
Don't let the punks get to you. If they can't say anything helpful its because they probably
have VERY LITTLE IF ANY MECHANICAL SKILLS . Talking crap is just their way of hiding that
fact. They figure the more crap they say the less likley anyone will know how dumb they are.
^^^^^^Incorrect. The listing is for all the Camaro engines. Whoever wrote that (Since it's Wikipedia, it could be anybody) made an assumption since they shared the same platform. True, the 3G F-body did have option for a TBI Iron-Duke... But as you see (and I remember from the TV ad I saw back in the day), the 4-cyl was dropped as base engine in favor of the MPI 2.8L, since now that the 60* V-6 had a fuel system that made it more efficient & the "Duke" was no longer needed to meet the CAFE standards set that model year... Which were also reset by President Reagan that year so American automakers could stand a chance in the market without having the pay the penalty of not meeting the originally set mandate in that year & the years to come. Besides... Can you imagine anything more embarassing than having a known high-performance model nameplate (One that's known for big power) being pushed-around by a lowly econo-car engine?
Don't believe me? Next time you watch the original Knight Rider series, take a good look at the engine while Bonnie is working under K.I.T.T.'s hood. If the air-filter canister is offset oddly on the "close-up" car, it's because it's a Turbo 301. I you don't agree, then please... Let's not needlessly argue of it.
And Buick, it built a production Turbo-6 engine as far back as '77. It was placed in the "Whale-body" Regal & used as a Indy Pace Car that year. They even made a few LeSabre's with it in '79, all with the damned draw-through carbureted system & a analog knock-sensitive timing retard that backed-off the total-timing in 2-4* increments until knock dissipated or the maximum retardation allowed was reached. The reason Pontiac made the Turbo 301 was because of the way GM decided to run things in the development area at the time. Buick got the turbo-engine development first, while at the same time Olds got the diesel-engine duties. And all the others each got theirs. The following year, top-management decided to have them all switch those duties to see what they could develop from the lessons learned by those whom had it before.
Personally... I think anytime a turbo is ran on the street (As a "driver"), it must include three things:
DIS, SMPI & a MAF.
That's how the GN's were setup, and they worked beautifully.
Go beyond the "bolt-on".
