lookin to build my cavy to handle boost and nitrous but i cant find the engine internals i need. i want to try to compete with the hondas running around my town. all i can find is bolt ons i want internals and have had no luck findin them so if u could point me the right direction it would be great.
anyone can swap.
be a man and build the 2.2.
alot of parts will need to be custom or stolen from a sbc. pretty vauge, but there is alot of information here.
f*cking h*ll, let people actually work on the LN2 for f*ck sakes. stop with all this f*cking swap bull sh!t. if people would have given the LN2 a chance, it may be able to do more than what we "think" it's capable of. who really knows yet.
there have been a few people who have started to push it, but no t nearly far enough as far as I'm concerned, I'm going to try to one day.
YES!!! another one of us, hahahahah.
what year is yours?
never mind, just checked registry, hahah. 2200 pistons are our friends. oh, and swap to a 97 harness/pcm if you get a chance, HPT makes a huge difference for our version of the powerful LN2.
ordering the 2200 pistons this month. i got bolt ons, mounts, and a massively re-worked head. i got a 95 pcm for tuning. but i tink i want to try hpt now....will the 97^ harness fit right on without modification?
if youre looking for off the shelf internals,
IPP performance carries weisco pistons and eagle rods for the pushrod motor.
I agree build the 2.2. the cars I have already have 2.4s so thats what im building for them. But my next cavy is gonna be a 2.2 with a 5spd. I wanna play with the pushrod engine. They have more potential than people wanna admit.
Zs Z wrote:I wanna play with the pushrod engine. They have more potential than people wanna admit.
I have been waiting for this post.
He is %100 correct with the last statement.
Remember Doomie?
haha, YES! gotta love ln2 support! i'll be starting my build in a few months.
I have a 2001. everyones been tellin me to do the eco swap but ill have more money in doin the swap than i would buyin one with the eco in it. i dont want to be like every other tom dick and harry who swaps in the eco i want to be different and see what a little tme and money can get out of the ohv's. i know the parts are hard to find. how can i get sbc parts into a little 4 cylinder? where can i get the parts custom made? im 17 years old lol i dont know a lot about where to get the parts or how to do all the specific tuning on it all but im some dumb teenager that dont know how to put the car in drive neither. ive built engines with my dad so im good on building it if i could find the parts.
Travis Starkey wrote:I have a 2001. everyones been tellin me to do the eco swap but ill have more money in doin the swap than i would buyin one with the eco in it. i dont want to be like every other tom dick and harry who swaps in the eco i want to be different and see what a little tme and money can get out of the ohv's. i know the parts are hard to find. how can i get sbc parts into a little 4 cylinder? where can i get the parts custom made? im 17 years old lol i dont know a lot about where to get the parts or how to do all the specific tuning on it all but im some dumb teenager that dont know how to put the car in drive neither. ive built engines with my dad so im good on building it if i could find the parts.
...you ARE some dumb teenager????lol, just bustin balls man.
Travis Starkey wrote:I have a 2001. everyones been tellin me to do the eco swap but ill have more money in doin the swap than i would buyin one with the eco in it. i dont want to be like every other tom dick and harry who swaps in the eco i want to be different and see what a little tme and money can get out of the ohv's. i know the parts are hard to find. how can i get sbc parts into a little 4 cylinder? where can i get the parts custom made? im 17 years old lol i dont know a lot about where to get the parts or how to do all the specific tuning on it all but im some dumb teenager that dont know how to put the car in drive neither. ive built engines with my dad so im good on building it if i could find the parts.
For the LN2, You can easily find some typical, relatively cheap bolt-ons. Header, pulley, Intake, etc.... As for sbc parts, The valvetrain is where it's at.
Roller rockers,
Also with the proper studs can be adapted to fit our engines with little hassle. I have been looking into the 2200 piston deal (which won't help you as yours is an 01) for the older 2.2. Getting into that here pretty soon.. As for cams, You would most likely have to send out a core for a custom grind, Unless you are lucky enough to find someone selling a cam for it. I don't know for sure what can be done as far as your throttle body goes. But ours on the older 2.2 is a part of the upper plenum.
This is a custom intake for the 2.2. And the biggest issue with these motors is flow. Open up the cylinder head and it will feel like a whole new car. If possible, Find someone to tune it. This will help immensely also. I'm sure someone else could chime in with more info/or corrections if I have some misinformation.
Mike (96RedCav) wrote:Travis Starkey wrote:I have a 2001. everyones been tellin me to do the eco swap but ill have more money in doin the swap than i would buyin one with the eco in it. i dont want to be like every other tom dick and harry who swaps in the eco i want to be different and see what a little tme and money can get out of the ohv's. i know the parts are hard to find. how can i get sbc parts into a little 4 cylinder? where can i get the parts custom made? im 17 years old lol i dont know a lot about where to get the parts or how to do all the specific tuning on it all but im some dumb teenager that dont know how to put the car in drive neither. ive built engines with my dad so im good on building it if i could find the parts.
For the LN2, You can easily find some typical, relatively cheap bolt-ons. Header, pulley, Intake, etc.... As for sbc parts, The valvetrain is where it's at. Roller rockers, Also with the proper studs can be adapted to fit our engines with little hassle. I have been looking into the 2200 piston deal (which won't help you as yours is an 01) for the older 2.2. Getting into that here pretty soon.. As for cams, You would most likely have to send out a core for a custom grind, Unless you are lucky enough to find someone selling a cam for it. I don't know for sure what can be done as far as your throttle body goes. But ours on the older 2.2 is a part of the upper plenum. This is a custom intake for the 2.2. And the biggest issue with these motors is flow. Open up the cylinder head and it will feel like a whole new car. If possible, Find someone to tune it. This will help immensely also. I'm sure someone else could chime in with more info/or corrections if I have some misinformation.
he can use the e2.3 TB, theirs is separate from the plenum the lucky bastards.
as Benham said though, IPP performance has 2200 stuff for pistons and other internals.
for the SBC stuff, yes, VALVETRAIN!!!! WOOT! Go check out the threads about the lifters and the rocker arms, Tons of amazing info in there, I've memorized half of the lifters thread, and going to read the rocker thread again soon. next time I run out of posts, that's all I'll be doing is reading and getting pissed off with myself for posting so much on other threads, hahah.
I'm going to say it again, as I do in all these threads-
First stop is the junkyard.
Pick up a spare motor so you can take your time and build it out of the car while your car still runs. Typically, LN2's can be found for $200-500 depending on mileage.
Don't expect significant gains from bolt-ons. The key areas to work on with an LN2 are the head, cam, and compression ratio. Port the head, get it machined for 1mm oversized valves, do the SBC valvetrain conversion, get the cam reground.
Talk directly to a reputable cam grinder like Comp Cams or similar and tell them what you want out of the engine. Have specs like head flow and compression ratio, rod/stroke ratio, all motor or boosted, etc. ready for them as all should be taken into account by the grinder. Know what you want the engine to do- for straight drag racing, the cam will be different than for a street car, or an autocross/road racing/time attack car. IMO, for a street car that sees some track time, you want a cam that gives you a rich powerband in the 3000-7000 rpm area as even with valvetrain upgrades, the LN2 won't ever be a really high rpm screamer like the hondas.
For pistons, if you're going boost you can stick with a stock compression ratio piston, or you can go lower. I'm pretty sure the only choices for LN2 pistons are either 8.5:1 (lower than stock of 9ish:1) or higher than stock at 11-12:1. No matter what pistons you purchase, ALWAYS get them and your head CC'd and calculate the actual compression ratio of the engine. Advertised compression ratios or pistons can vary from slightly off to completely incorrect, and if the ratio winds up too high for boost you'll have serious tuning headaches. Make sure the pistons you're ordering are for the engine you have. While pistons from the 2.2 and 2200 will switch back and forth physically, if you put a 8.5:1 piston from a 2200 into a 2.2 it will have a much different compression ratio.
Rods- Eagles are pretty cheap these days and will stand up to just about anything you'll be able to throw at them.
Most importantly- don't cheap out. Spend the money and take the time to do everything the right way the first time. Come up with a goal, be it a specific track time or horsepower number, and then a plan to meet that goal using the best components for the job. Don't just grab whatever crap will work because its cheaper than the proper parts. Thats how you wind up with a cobbled together mess that you either wind up redoing later (and spending more money to fix) or a non-functioning car that pisses you off until you sell it and get something else.
Arrival Blue 04 LS Sport
Eco
Turbo
Megasquirt
'Nuff said
Zs Z wrote:They have more potential than people wanna admit.
Oh, come on guys... it's not like the 2.2 is some new motor... what new things are you going to try? It's all been done before...
For the amount of money you have to spend to get any power out of any of the stock J-body motors (any motor, not just the 2.2 pushrod one).. it's cheaper to swap in a bigger motor and go from there. You get more reliable base hp and tq to start with... I don't see anyone that has an LD9 or L61 swapping in the LN2 instead and then working on it. There is a reason for this after all!!
Have you all forgotten? There is NO replacement for displacement!!
John Lenko wrote:Zs Z wrote:They have more potential than people wanna admit.
Oh, come on guys... it's not like the 2.2 is some new motor... what new things are you going to try? It's all been done before...
For the amount of money you have to spend to get any power out of any of the stock J-body motors (any motor, not just the 2.2 pushrod one).. it's cheaper to swap in a bigger motor and go from there. You get more reliable base hp and tq to start with... I don't see anyone that has an LD9 or L61 swapping in the LN2 instead and then working on it. There is a reason for this after all!!
Have you all forgotten? There is NO replacement for displacement!!
which is why i'm swapping in a 3.4
Rememeber kids... spell check is your friend
John Lenko wrote:Zs Z wrote:They have more potential than people wanna admit.
Oh, come on guys... it's not like the 2.2 is some new motor... what new things are you going to try? It's all been done before...
For the amount of money you have to spend to get any power out of any of the stock J-body motors (any motor, not just the 2.2 pushrod one).. it's cheaper to swap in a bigger motor and go from there. You get more reliable base hp and tq to start with... I don't see anyone that has an LD9 or L61 swapping in the LN2 instead and then working on it. There is a reason for this after all!!
Have you all forgotten? There is NO replacement for displacement!!
John, we all know noone is going to swap out anything for a ln2.
Now understand this, the thread is not "what motor is better". It is "what can I do to my ln2."
Simply put, let the people who like this engine enjoy it. We all know almost EVERY other engine is better.
I'm quite sick of hearing "swap" everytime someone asks about this engine.
I expect tits in AG by the time I'm out from work.
Hell, now that I've done the L67 once... I will always say SWAP!! Even if you do have an Eco or Twin Cam in there to begin with. The only 4 cylinder worth swapping in would be the LNF.. but it won't fit easily... so... hmm, maybe that will be my next project?
I've seen what a built 2.2L can do. It's not bad... look at what Scrufdog did with his old 2.2L. But the obscene amount of money is better spent elsewhere... and I don't mean swapping in an Eco or Twin Cam.
I still want to know what more can be done to the 2.2L that no one else has done yet... and we've all seen a lot here over the years...
LNF now! If a Northstar will fit, That should be able to also.
I have been trying to work on the 2.2, but everything that I would do to the motor has been done by someone else. Not too much pioneering anymore.
IF I get another one after this, it will be an eco. I liked the Z24's power. But I love the simplicity of the OHV.
