182 hp (136 kW) @ 6700 rpm (gasoline) 172 lb·ft (233 N·m) @ 4900 rpm (gasoline)

In a J? ...Possible?
..

thoughts?

I know anything is possible with money, but I'm curious if the LAF bolts on the same way. Noone has discussed this new motor, 182 hp is pretty significant.

it's direct injected and has vvt. do we really need to go any further? no, it won't be a direct bolt-in.



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All stock...........lol.

the wiring and computer will be a pita, especially since the only computer that can run it is the one from the car you pulled it from (megasquirt and all the other standalones cant do DI).


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The ONLY way you will get this to remotely work in a cav is to take the entire wiring harnes and ECU from the donor car, along with the fuel system provisions for the DI.

There is a thread going about using the gen 2 bottom ends, that is probably as good as it gets for us

yeah, If one of these bolted up like the L61 i'de be hoping somebody totaled a car real fast, and lookin in yards like crazy, lol. These motors have 11 something compression! mmm.

for the money you would have getting it to work you could build an L61 up for n/a and be at even power power.

ben wenzel squeezed 193whp out of his iirc

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Noone has discussed this new motor, 182 hp is pretty significant.

significant? considering the quad4 made that much power 20 years ago....im not impressed

and the quad 4 was n/a while the lap is turbo.


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scott (section8cav) wrote:

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Noone has discussed this new motor, 182 hp is pretty significant.

significant? considering the quad4 made that much power 20 years ago....im not impressed

Leafy wrote:and the quad 4 was n/a while the lap is turbo.

thank you!!! my originial thoughts here were to suggest to just a Quad motor in and call it a day!!

oh, true. didnt think about the quad 4.

still looks like a nice engine!

So much misinformation in this thread...

the LAF is the direct injected VVT 2.4 (predecessor is the LE5 - VVT 2.4)
the LAP is the VVT 2.2 (predecessor is the L61 - 2.2)
the LNF is the direct injected, turbo VVT 2.0 and the ONLY factory turbo in the bunch

.....well that sure changes things

scott (section8cav) wrote:.....well that sure changes things

lol it doesn't change things. all those engines are impractical swaps in a jbody. the quad for is much more practical, effective and proven. It's been done before with good results

So what cars to those engines come in? ^^










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The LAF is the replacement for the LE5, so it will come in midsize sedans like the G6, small SUV's like the traverse ect. I'm not sure if it's out yet though.

The LAP replaced the L61, so think small cars like the cobalt and HHR

The LNF was available in the sky redline/solstice GXP, as well as the current cobalt ss/HHR ss. Rumored to be a possibility in the Cruze, but not likely. A detuned version may be available for the upcoming buick regal.

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significant? considering the quad4 made that much power 20 years ago....im not impressed

Thats not a fair assessment, the 190hp Quad 4 had no low end. It was like an Iron Duke on the low end.

The new Ecotec has linear power from 0 to 115mph, more if the limiter is off.

Looking at the max output on both is not a fair comparison.




My wife's 2003 Ecotec 2.2 liter Sunfire:
* 2 1/4 inch in and dual 2 inch out muffler Trans Am muffler
* 2 1/4 piping to a very long 2 1/4 inch resonator
* 2 1/4 inch catalytic converter
* an AEM true cold air intake NOPI edition
* 8 gauge ground wire kit
* Toyz front strut brace
* Russell stainless steel brake lines all around.

the eco has linear power...the quad revs up much faster getting to its power band quickly and making up for any low end loss
...................check

scott (section8cav) wrote:the eco has linear power...the quad revs up much faster getting to its power band quickly and making up for any low end loss
...................check

QFT

linear power band vs peaky power band? .....I know which one I'd pick.

the LAF has 11.4:1 compression, looks like that'd be a nice addition if you hybridized it under an L61 head.. hows roughly 12:1 compression sound?


also, not that I really care about this, but the LAF got bumped up compression and VVT to probably run better in an atkinson cycle for fuel economy. what the did the quad 4 get MPG wise?


right.

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what the did the quad 4 get MPG wise?

sorry...MPG ? .. whats that? i dont think ive given mpg a second thought in like years lol

besides..dont try to get off subject
the comment made was that the 182hp 4banger factory motor was significant. ...and dont reuse the linear power band comment cus i already countered that one

yeah really...

who cares about mpg anyway? when you put the pedal through the floor im pretty sure gas mileage isnt even in you're thought pattern.

adrenaline > mpg's.

apparently we all cared at some point or else we wouldnt be driving fwd 4 cylinders.


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My buddies Calais 442 W41 gets 30 city and 40 highway. Not bad for a low technology car. Oh and even with a cracked cylinder head (he didnt know at the time) and an inexperienced drag racer it still pulled off a 14.6@96 his first time out with it.

I only worry about MPG in my daily driven beater










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306 TQ

mitdr774 wrote:My buddies Calais 442 W41 gets 30 city and 40 highway.

I'm calling BS on those numbers, unless he somehow reduced the weight of the car by like a thousand pounds. 25/35 would be a liberal estimate...