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best combination..
Monday, February 12, 2007 4:19 PM
hey guys...i just recently bought the tien ss's with the EDFC and the poly control arm bushings....now im looking into the front and rear sway bars and strut tower bars...

im just curious if anyone has any opinions on what is the best setup to go with...

(i have the 2005 cavy with the stock front sway)


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Re: best combination..
Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:56 AM
I added the Addco front and rear bars to my cav with a 1.6" drop and Koni reds, and it was a world of difference. I still have not found the limits of this new set up in terms of breaking the tires loose around a bend. If you want a neutral feel and almost NO body roll, the addco combo is a winner.



Re: best combination..
Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:12 AM
The suspension faq has a wealth of information! Heres a quick overview...

Suspension Faq wrote:
Strut Bars:

Front strut tower braces come stock on the third gen convertible J-body cars, but not other models. GM must have decided that the convertible models were the only ones that would benefit from the strut tower bar, because of the lessened chassis rigidity and structural integrity that results when you chop the roof off of a car. However, they didn't take into consideration enthusiasts like you or me. Luckily, the stock strut tower bar will fit just fine on most of the J-body models, plus there are plenty of aftermarket bars available.

GM even makes several different models, which you can order from any local parts counter or online dealer.

Part #22604347 was used from 1995-2000 on the 2.4L convertibles. This is the "standard" strut bar, which has a bracket to mount to the firewall, but no cruise control (CC) bracket (for cars with either no CC or have the CC module mounted to the firewall instead). Companies like RK Sport, RSM Racing and Mantapart (just to name a few) all sell this same bar as a performance suspension upgrade.

Part #22642387 was used from 95-97 on the 2.2L convertibles with cruise control. This bar has a bracket to mount the passenger-strut mounted CC module on as well as a firewall bolt bracket. Will also fit any J-Body that has the CC module mounted on the Passenger Strut Mount.

Part #22642386 was used on the 1995 2.3L convertibles, with the CC module mounted on the passenger side strut tower. In theory, this should be the same as the 22642387 bar, but no one has compared them side-to-side to make certain. (Please feel free to do so and send us an update!)

Part #22604348 was used on the 96-98 2.2L convertibles, according to GM’s part computers. However, we’re not sure if it has the cruise control bracket or not. (If you know or can find out, please send us an update!)

Many aftermarket front strut braces also exist. One made by Freedom Design, is a polished forged aluminum bar, and costs about $100 (part #63102). Mantapart also has a front strut tower bar. RK Sport sells several designs as well, as does Next Level, Ractive, Vibrant, OBX, and APC.

Second gen Z24s came stock with a front strut tower brace. APC also makes a chrome front bar.

Rear strut tower braces are available from several companies, such as Mantapart, Next Level, RSM, Freedom Design,

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Sway bars:

J-bodies do not come with a stock rear sway bar, but some models do come with a rear stabilizer bar. Aftermarket rear sway bars work with the stock rear stabilizer bar (you do not have to remove it).

Aftermarket front sway bars replace the OEM front sway bar. If you do not have a stock front sway bar you need to get the hardware kit off of a Cavalier/Sunfire that does have a stock front sway bar so the new front sway bar can be installed.

Anti-sway bars also exist for the front axle of the car. Some cars come with them stock; those with the FE1 suspension package comes with an 18mm front sway bar, and the FE2 package comes with a 22mm.

You must be careful when adding or changing these bars, because if the bar is too large in either the front or the rear, you will introduce either understeer or oversteer. The trick is to find a balance, or "neutral" handling condition, where the car neither "pulls" you inward through the turn nor "pushes" you outward through the turn. Oversteer (or "pulling") is mostly found on rear wheel drive cars, like the F-body. Understeer (or "pushing") is mostly found on front wheel drive cars, like the J-body.

Hellwig used to make a rear 19mm bar, which helped to create a more "neutral" handling when added, while keeping your stock front sway bar. The new Hellwig bar is 26mm. (25.4mm) RK Sport and JC Whitney sell the Hellwig bar.

ADDCO makes 25mm (25.4mm) rear anti-sway bars for the J-body.

Eibach makes a 22mm rear bar and a 25.4mm front bar, sold together as a package.



And i can personally vouch for the addco rear sway bar, it was an awsome improvement, yet to get a front sway bar...


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