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project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Wednesday, January 19, 2005 4:06 PM
OK now that I am working and stable again...the sunfire needs to be resurrected......the standalone I had (TEC 2) decided to short out and die on me....so I have a stock 99 pcm in there, I have a greddy emanage I will use to control fuel and spark but I have not yet installed it....the engine is a 2.4L bottom end and 2.3HO top end, 2.3LO intake cam and 2.3HO exhaust cam, and of course a 60-1 turbo on the back...all sensors are hooked up and everything is responding.....heres the problem......turn the key...it sputters sputter sputter..back fire...then will jsut turn over and not do anything....smells flooded....sometimes it will kind start but die within a second of apparent ignition. I put stock injectors back in...nothing...I checked timing.....perfect....coils fire....plugs are good...hence the occasional pops......I did a compression test and I have between 205psi and 210psi in every cylinder, so no comnpression loss....I am now officially out of ideas on why the damn thing wont start...it hates me it just wants to die is all I can gather.....the only thing I have left to consider is bad gas...its low and has been sitting for several months.....but I do get fuel into the engine but I have never dealt with a "bad gas" situation so I am not sure that these are the symptoms....I need help and I am open to suggestions...I am running out of rides to work and I miss my car..I can just no longer diagnose this issue....anyone???any ideas???
Ben

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Goodbye Bobby, May God grant you the peace you never found in life.
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—Al Swearengen

Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:22 AM
maybe the pcm is bad. when i swapped over to 2k stuff i could never get my car to start initially. it would always almost start but never keep going. well, brian w brought over his flashed pcm, we tried it and the car started right up. you said you have a LO intake cam? what did you do about the camshaft sensor and power steering if you're using a stock pcm now??
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Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:23 AM
I have 2 99 pcms and a 2000 pcm......nothing works..and the 2.3 LO cam has a pad for the cam position sensor and power steering is long gone <br>


Goodbye Bobby, May God grant you the peace you never found in life.
“Here's my counter-offer to your counter-offer: go f**k yourself.”
—Al Swearengen
Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:31 PM
Are you sure it is firing? What it sounds like. ALso crank position sensor. <br>


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Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Saturday, January 22, 2005 5:55 AM
If I remember right, I had the same exact problem with my Z. Turned out to be the coil tower. I bought 2 brand new ones, one from O'Reillys and one from AutoZone..and neither of them worked. Decided for the hell of it to try the one from my old engine..Fired right up and ran great. My guess would be to try that. Since ignition pieces are returnable and I'm sure you don't want parts you don't need, I'd go buy one(or two) from a junkyard and just SEE if it changes anything. At most you would spend for one from a junkyard is what?...Ten bucks? Hell..Just don't eat at Hardees one day and you compensated for that cash. Good luck, Lemme know what happens.
Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Saturday, January 22, 2005 7:11 PM
Passlock?

Crank position sensor?

Nice to see ya posting again Crash... what's shakin? Besides the motor?

...j <br>

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Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Sunday, January 23, 2005 12:58 PM
are you trying to start it with the emanage installed?
Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Monday, January 24, 2005 7:21 AM
sounds like the bad gas situation maybe. go get a bottle of heet (yes i spelled it correctly) its a water remover and try that. or try and get the old gas out of the tank i'd say bad gas is the issue...

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Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Sunday, January 30, 2005 1:22 PM
Im kinda thinking it may be the passlock.....BTW, long time no see Crash.... <br>


P&P Tuning
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Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Monday, January 31, 2005 8:46 AM
good to be back from the dead......well we @!#$ with the car some more last night....dumped about 5 gallons of fresh gas in there...bottle of iso-heet new plugs even though the originals were perfect....gapped at .030" set fuel pressure to 35psi and let it rip....well it starts up for about a second if that..then shuts off....no theft light blinking.....try it again...same thing...starts up shuts off.....if you try to hit the gas once it starts up is kills and back fires.......now heres the interesting thing...I just thought of this last night....while cranking the tach does not move and all the cluster lights are on......the only light that should be on once the key is on should be like the CEL and headlights....instead...every light is on....I wonder if there is some kind of link between a possible cluster problem and the running issue...seeing as the computer bounces signals off the cluster <br>


Goodbye Bobby, May God grant you the peace you never found in life.
“Here's my counter-offer to your counter-offer: go f**k yourself.”
—Al Swearengen
Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Monday, January 31, 2005 9:21 AM
Truly does sound like a passlock deal now, but weird no link blinking. <br>


FU Tuning




Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Monday, January 31, 2005 11:33 AM
Oh yeah, it's definitely passlock. Without a doubt.

Key to on for at least 10 minutes, then off.... repeat three times. If the light isn't flashing then going solid after those ten minutes, it might not work... in which case, you've got electrical issues to work on.

...j <br>

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Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Monday, January 31, 2005 4:14 PM
well the theft light does not flash.....at all....and the cluster lights up like a christmans tree/hanuukah bush.....the weird things is if I'm not mistaken when passlock shuts off the car it should start up and then die then not be able to be restarted at all until the key is left on run for ten minutes......well It does this everytime I start it....starts up...runs for a sec and then shuts off...then it will just turn over and not start after I try a few times



Goodbye Bobby, May God grant you the peace you never found in life.
“Here's my counter-offer to your counter-offer: go f**k yourself.”
—Al Swearengen
Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Monday, January 31, 2005 6:12 PM
Nah, my 99 passlock would let me start it every time, then it would kill it half a second later. 00+ passlock (as I have now) won't even let it start.

...j


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Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Monday, February 07, 2005 8:26 AM
ben, email me your #.. im home for a few days... till the 16th
chris


'02 Z-24 Supercharged
13.7 @102.45 MPH Third Place, 2007 GMSC Bash SOLD AS OF 01MAR08

Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Monday, February 07, 2005 12:05 PM
could it be a sensor problem, cuz it sounds like fuel gets cut off when you press the cass pedal, so you might want to check out the sensors on the car.
Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:41 AM
ok I think this thing is stuck in theft mode...every light on my cluster lights up and the same thing every time...starts up and shuts off.....3 computer....same issue......does anyone with experience in GM computers know if I could delete the theft system program from the computer if I could get my hands on a tech 2?


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Goodbye Bobby, May God grant you the peace you never found in life.
“Here's my counter-offer to your counter-offer: go f**k yourself.”
—Al Swearengen
Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:12 PM
yes you can..........or at least you should be able to



I ain't callin u a gold digga,but you ain't messin wit a broke cracka
Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:40 PM
Check all your Passlock wiring from the cluster to the ECU.


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Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Thursday, February 10, 2005 6:07 PM
kick it




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Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:41 AM
did you ever get it started???



I ain't callin u a gold digga,but you ain't messin wit a broke cracka

Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Thursday, February 17, 2005 10:12 AM
nope not yet...taking the wiring and pretty much everything apart



Goodbye Bobby, May God grant you the peace you never found in life.
“Here's my counter-offer to your counter-offer: go f**k yourself.”
—Al Swearengen
Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Friday, February 18, 2005 11:58 AM
maybe your car needs some Qdoba ben. i know i'd start right up if you got me some.



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Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Friday, February 18, 2005 2:01 PM
hmm I can spend 50 bucks at Qdoba easily....happy too



Goodbye Bobby, May God grant you the peace you never found in life.
“Here's my counter-offer to your counter-offer: go f**k yourself.”
—Al Swearengen
Re: project resurrection....No start!!!!!
Sunday, February 20, 2005 8:04 AM
mine does the exact same thing sometimes.....i wiggle the fuse for the cluster, and it fires right up
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