ok i have a "ball and cage" style outer CV shaft... according to my haynes guide i just need a slide hammer, a vice, and a attachment for pulling the CV off the shaft....

well... um.. anyone know where i can get this "attachment"

and is there maybe another way to do this?

this is a very expencive CV shaft, and the boot is bad... I need to get the CV off the shaft to get the boot on.... but i cant seem to budge it, and dont want to break anything trying...

You need a snap ring tool. If you slide the boot back, there is a snap ring that holds the axle into the cage. Pop that off and it'll slide right out.

good advice... but of course mine are the non-snap ring type... mine are pressed on...
haynes says snap ring you just need snap ring pliers... but the pressed on ones need slide hammer and a vice.

Ok... well i just found out i got "the shaft" on my shafts...

Got the boot off and cleaned the old grease out... put it in the parts washer to get it all clean and shiney...

and it appears that these "nearly new" CV's are busted in 2. there are 2 huge cracks on wither side of the ball carrier. the carrier itself is just held together by the balls and the ball cage... all kinds of scoring on the journals. there are also tool marks on the CV that looks like someone before me had that boot off in an attempt to fit it, but decided to just sell it to some schmuck hoping they would never notice...

I emailed the fellow who sold them to me. I will not mention any names, as he may have been an innocent victim in this as well, in which case a good person would be willing to make amends, and will either pay for the replacement outter CV, or give me my money back.... but if he choses to be an ass, then it probably means he knew about this all along, and that is why he sold them after "only a few runs down the track".

So if he screws me, I will be happy to post his info up so that everyone knows what kinda person he is and can avoid buying anything from him, and if you happen to live near him, maybe you can go knife his tires for me or something...

ken soggs wrote:

So if he screws me, I will be happy to post his info up so that everyone knows what kinda person he is and can avoid buying anything from him, and if you happen to live near him, maybe you can go knife his tires for me or something...

That's real mature. I guess this is no surprise from someone who can't remove a CVJ or know how to properly put a trans case back together. Good Job!

ken soggs wrote:So if he screws me, I will be happy to post his info up so that everyone knows what kinda person he is and can avoid buying anything from him, and if you happen to live near him, maybe you can go knife his tires for me or something...

LOL, yea. Come and knife my tires.....childish threats & games.


275hp & 306tq - 1999 2.2 ohv
13.2 @ 108 mph
-1996 2.4 liter + Turbo + Built motor + Torco + More boost = Lots o' Power
-2000 Mustang GT + 2004 Cobra motor, Whipple 2.3 supercharger,
built rear-end,Dodge Viper spec T56 6 speed, bolt-ons = wheelies at the track!!!!!

Dan Pelter wrote:

ken soggs wrote:
So if he screws me, I will be happy to post his info up so that everyone knows what kinda person he is and can avoid buying anything from him, and if you happen to live near him, maybe you can go knife his tires for me or something...

That's real mature. I guess this is no surprise from someone who can't remove a CVJ or know how to properly put a trans case back together. Good Job!

yep, just as about as mature and respectful and adult-like as selling broken parts, advertising them as working well and having features they dont have. and then not even offering so much as a refund or assistance/compensation for the mis-representation and damage.

I never expected the parts to be "brand new" and in pristine shape. But i did expect them to have ABS rings when the seller outright told me they had them. and i sure as hell didnt expect the CV to be broken in half.

ever been to this little website called ebay... they sell things on there... and they have a thing called feedback. if you had a good sale, you can post it and let people know this guy is legit. but if you get screwed over you can post that too, thus warning other people to stay away for fear they might get screwed over as well. But yeah, i guess that is immature.

i suppose women who get raped should just keep their mouth shut, and let the guy do it. cuz it would be immature of them to call the police or file charges.

the mature thing to do is bend over and take it up the ass and keep your mouth shut huh?


hmmm and yeah... your right... it is no suprize from someone who didnt know you needed to use an anerobic sealant when re-assembling a transmision... cuz it is so obviously spelled out in the repair guides... OH WAIT... it isnt in the repair guides. the repair guys say that transmition work is too involved for a home mechanic, and should be left to a shop. So yeah... the fact i didnt know to use a special sealant when doing a job that the haynes manual says is too advanced must make me a REAL dummy...

and yeah, your right again... i must be a total moron... because everyone knows that IQ is directly related to the size slide hammer you have to pull CV's off with. so the fact that my slide hammer broke attachments before it would budge the CV makes me a real idiot.

so mr mature genious... why dont you come here and show me how easy it is to to remove this CVJ... and show me your skills in assembling a tranny... and why dont you show me the engine that you hand built from scratch in your own garage... oh you havent done that yet? well lets see this huge list of what all you have done to your car... oh...hmm.. according to your profile here... it looks like the most technical thing you did on your car was drive it. But what does that matter with as prolific of a forum member you have been.. i mean look at all the informative posts you have up... oh wait.. the only thing you have done is come in here and talk smack about someone you know absolutely nothing about.

Adler wrote:
LOL, yea. Come and knife my tires.....childish threats & games.

ok well as i mentioned, i wasnt going to give out any names. i dont like to treat people like an @!#$ till they have proven themself to be one.

but if he wants to announce himself i have no control over that.....

so for all who care... here is the email i sent him after finding all the damage....

Ok Well DSS says they will look at them and fix what ever need be fixed.
They say if ALL it needs is the cracked inner ball carrier, then the bill should be about $175. Also it is $50 per axle to add the ABS rings on.
So after shipping and all... it will cost me about $300 to get these axles to the point you told me they were already at. and that is assuming that everything else is ok.
So here is your last chance to redeem yourself. You pay me the $300 to fix these, or refund me $300 of my purchase, how ever you want to look at it (i am willing to settle on $300 now, even knowing the bill could be much higher).. and we can just pretend this never happened, and go on our seperate ways.
Or if you want to stick by your lies and continue to act like a piece of @!#$ used car salesman, and sell people your broken crap, and make up stories, and tell them "you must have broken it, it was fine when i had them" then i will have to make sure that i warn everyone of the kind of @!#$ you pull on people, and make sure you dont get a chance to @!#$ anyone else like you did to me.
I dont like being @!#$ with, and can be a real @!#$... so just be sure of your decision here.


then this is what i got from him...

Well, I guess that you can go ahead and post your crybaby story on jbody.org or wherever you plan to post it. It does not bother me. You can talk all the @!#$ that you want about me.....its the INTERNET, no big deal.
I am sorry about the ABS tone rings, that was my fault.....I was considering on helping you out with some of the stuff until I read your last paragraph, and the little childish threat that you made on jbody.org. Slashing tires...are you still in middle school?

If I was planning to screw you over, would I have agreed to pay extra for the 2-3 day shipping that you asked for? Would I have payed extra to have the axles shipped in the boxes with all of the cushion?
How as I suppose to know that the internals in the CV were damanged? I told you that I had ran them at the track on slicks. You knew that those RACING parts had been beaten on. Warrenty or money back on used racing parts? You need start to using some common sense, son.

I have sold plenty of parts on jbody.org in the last 7 years and have never screwed or had the intention to screw anyone over.




the line about "its the internet, no big deal" says alot here.... just as he doesnt care what i post on the forum about him, since it is "just the internet" must mean it isnt real and not anything to worry about.... the same logic is refelcted in his i dont give a @!#$ about the people i @!#$ over by selling busted parts. because of course this is just a forum on the internet... we are not real people... i didnt spend $350 of real money on his real broken parts. and it isnt really going to cost me $300 more to fix the broken parts. come on... it is the internet.. who cares, tell all the lies you want, screw over anyone you feel like... it is just the internet.

sorry to tell you buddy... but the internet may be "virtual" but the people sitting on the other side of the computer are very much real. the fact there was a forum and emails involved in the transaction dont make the whole thing magically become fiction.

oh and your right... i DID know they were used racing parts... but i also know that they are designed to handle 500hp. and not many cavaliers put out more that 500hp... so not many of these axles should be damaged to this extent by "a few runs down the track and 2000miles total"

and you might want to look thru your emails again.... because you failed to EVER mention the fact that these axles were DESTROYED once, and had to be fully rebuilt by the manufacturer. that lil trivial detail didnt come out until after i told you about the damage i found. to jog your memory....

Like I said before, before I pulled those axles out of my car, they were fine. There were not any noises coming from the axles while driving straight nor turning. I pulled the axles off of my car because there was bottom end noise coming from the motor, and decided to put the car back to stock and sell everything.
Those axles held up to my launching on the slicks with no problem. If there were any problems with those axles while I had them, I am pretty sure that I would have found out.
I am almost positive that the previous owner did not take the axles apart. He sent them back to DSS after they broke on him at the track. I think that something in the inner CV failed....I cant remember exactly. The splines on both outer CVs were twisted, as well as the splines in the hubs. Both axles were sent to DSS to have everything fixed. If I remember correctly, both outer CVs were replaced, hubs were replaced and heat treated, they changed one or maybe both of the bars with a stronger material, and fixed whatever else had failed. This was done maybe 3 years ago, so they still might have everything on file. Mike Karas was the original owner, and I believe that he talked to Frank at DSS.
The only thing that I can tell you to do is to contact DSS.

that was the first time you mentioned anything about previous damage.... up until then all you told me was....

I actually bought them from Mike Karas....he had them on his Cavalier. He put less than 1,000 miles on them. He went to the track twice with them. I bought them from Mike and put 800-1000 miles on them before I sold everything off of my car. I went to the 1/4th mile track 3-4 times with those axles.


that is how you described them to me when i asked if you got them new from DSS. from that description, any person with half a brain would think "oh wow, those things must be like brand new... less than 2000 miles on them... and only 6 passes at the track... that gives the impression they are pretty much virgin axles.... and the bits about them being busted and rebuilt, and a torn boot, and cracked CV and then sitting in a basement for 3 years rusting... none of that was worth mentioning at the time of sale...

maybe i have some warped sence of honesty... but somehow i dont think many people would feel your pre-sale description was anywhere close to honest and accurate.

I would love to hear some other peoples takes on this....

yes, my comment about tire slashing wasnt the most mature thing to say, but when someone steals $300 dollars out of your wallet, and 2 weeks of your time... maturity isnt the first thing on your mind.

ken soggs wrote:
that is how you described them to me when i asked if you got them new from DSS. from that description, any person with half a brain would think "oh wow, those things must be like brand new... less than 2000 miles on them... and only 6 passes at the track... that gives the impression they are pretty much virgin axles.... and the bits about them being busted and rebuilt, and a torn boot, and cracked CV and then sitting in a basement for 3 years rusting... none of that was worth mentioning at the time of sale...

Um yes, they we pretty much virgin axles besides me using them at the track....they were checked out by DSS, the parts that failed were replaced...one or maybe both shafts were upgraded to their 300R shaft, outer cv, hubs, etc.. I would think that when they were sent off, DSS inspected everything. So if there were any other problems with the axles I am sure that DSS would have found them. Now if something broke or cracked while I had them on my car, @!#$ happens. I did not hear any noises coming from the drivetrain, and the boot(s) were not ripped when I had them on my car...everything was good as far as I could tell. How do I know that you couldnt have accidently ripped the boot when you were installing them?
And I told you that I was not forsure if the these axles that both came out of a 96-99 Izuzu trans car would work with a 00-05 Getrag car. Maybe thats were some of your noise is coming from. Maybe the 00-05 axles are longer.




275hp & 306tq - 1999 2.2 ohv
13.2 @ 108 mph
-1996 2.4 liter + Turbo + Built motor + Torco + More boost = Lots o' Power
-2000 Mustang GT + 2004 Cobra motor, Whipple 2.3 supercharger,
built rear-end,Dodge Viper spec T56 6 speed, bolt-ons = wheelies at the track!!!!!

Adler wrote:Um yes, they we pretty much virgin axles besides me using them at the track....they were checked out by DSS, the parts that failed were replaced...one or maybe both shafts were upgraded to their 300R shaft, outer cv, hubs, etc.. I would think that when they were sent off, DSS inspected everything. So if there were any other problems with the axles I am sure that DSS would have found them. Now if something broke or cracked while I had them on my car, @!#$ happens. I did not hear any noises coming from the drivetrain, and the boot(s) were not ripped when I had them on my car...everything was good as far as I could tell. How do I know that you couldnt have accidently ripped the boot when you were installing them?
And I told you that I was not forsure if the these axles that both came out of a 96-99 Izuzu trans car would work with a 00-05 Getrag car. Maybe thats were some of your noise is coming from. Maybe the 00-05 axles are longer.

well, if you go to the DSS website, and look up cavalier axles, look at their level 3 axles, you will clearly see that they answer that question for you....

DSS wrote:
Chevy Cavilier/Pontiac Sunfire 500HP Level 3
GM PARTS » Cavalier » 1995-2004 Cavalier » includes 2.2-2.4 and Ecotech all » Level 3 500HP 5-speed manual (all)(replaces intermediate bar on some 2.4 cars)-----GM23

Chevy Cavilier/Pontiac Sunfire 500HP Level 3
Description:This is the Level 3 system for the Cavalier and the Pontiac Sunfire. The system consists of a pair of axles that has a set of custom hubs for the larger outer cv that a 500HP car would need. The center bars are made from 4340 chromoly and have our special double temper. The larger outer cv is borrowed from our other successful Level 3 system (race proven ends) and the hub comes complete with bearing pressed together, just unbolt the three bolts and install ours. The inner cv is a factory housing from a larger body car that is tempered, special de-stress treatment and then heat treated to our specs. With oversize tripod this is one bad system. (must specify if ABS is needed)
Product Category:Level 3 500HP 5-speed manual (all)(replaces intermediate bar on some 2.4 cars)-----GM23

so that is how i know it would work and that it is the same. I did my research. That is how i knew these were rated for 500hp when you didnt even know that. I do my homework. I dont usually go off spending my money on parts just cuz they sound good.

and yes, there is a chance i could have ripped the CV boot installing them. but there is just as good of a chance that you ripped them taking them out of your car, or that they got ripped sitting in your basement for 3 years, or in shipping... who knows what happened to the boot. that was the least of my problems. A boot is very easy to damage, and it could have happend at any time... but i would sure as hell hope that it would take a little more than a slip of a wrench to crack a CVJ rated to take the abuse of 500hp. breaking this thing like it is is no small chore.

maybe just maybe the axles were indeed making noise on your car... you did tell me your engine was making bottom end noises before you pulled it apart and sold her. maybe you just didnt "notice" the CV noises over the top of your other noises... just like you said you never "noticed" your ABS light being on when you had the axles on, and you never "noticed" the fact there were no abs rings despite the fact you bought, installed, removed, and packed them.. sounds like you had these axles in your hands many times... but yet never "noticed" the rings were not there.

i was not so upset about the boot as i was upset about the ABS rings, as this is my daily driver car, and ABS has saved my ass several times in ohio winters. So wasnt real happy about the fact tthey were non abs. there is a very good chance i would have passed on them had i known they didnt have abs.

and if you want to insist that they were virgin axles and in perfect shape when you got them.... then that rules out the previous owner. so the only way these axles got damaged was from you or me. you had them on for 1000miles... (and then later you changed the story to 2000miles)... and took them to the track 4 times. i have had them on the car for a little over 280 miles. and have been to the track 0 times. the axles were making noises after the first 20 miles, and that was also the first 20 miles of my new engines break in, so the car never made it above 40mph or 3000rpm, ran on less than 2psi, at 8.5:1 compression. even now the car has not been over 4000rpm, and has only seen highway speeds once or twice. due to the driveshaft noises and an oil leak and the fact my engine is still not broken in, i have been afraid to get on her at all.

So by simple logic... if you claim the axels were "virgin" when you got them from DSS... and you had them on a built boosted and track ready car for 2000 miles, 4 drag passes, and 3+years.... and then i had them on my de-tuned, boost-crippled engine for the first half of my break in, and 90% of the time the axles never saw more than 3000rpm and 45mph.... any reasonable person could make an educated guess as to where the damage might have happened.

I was going to suggest that maybe something slipped thru the cracks at DSS... maybe they didnt replace the outter cv when they rebuilt them... maybe the joint just had a stress crack at that point, and they didnt notice it. and then maybe the already weakened cv became weaker with your miles and drag passes... maybe the stress crack progressed into a hairline fracture while you had it on the car... and then maybe sitting in a cold basement for 2 years aggrivated it somehow... i dont know. but again, this is the sort of stuff that i MIGHT have worried about had i known the whole story. I am no stranger to rebuilt goods. i have bought remanufactured parts before.... but usually, well no.. ALWAYS... the seller makes it clear they are rebuilt before the sale. there is a difference between "used" and "rebuilt"... typically something that is rebuilt had some major failure at one point and needed to be fixed. a used item typically survived, and just has some wear on it. the fact they were rebuilt is important, the fact they were nearly destroyed and needed to be rebuilt is just not something that you should leave out. and then especially after all that... the fact they sat for 3 years, making the manufacturer warranty completely useless... that might have been good to know as well. DSS gives a 1 year waranty on their level 3 axles. and i am sure they would work with you if you were slightly out of warranty... but 3 years out, i think they would laugh at you. So again... this is just all ifnto that SHOULD have been disclosed prior to the sale.
Yes, some of it is my fault for not asking. but MOST of it is your fault for not telling, or for being misleading. If i had known the whole history of these axles maybe i wouldnt have bought them, maybe i would have... i dont know... but if i did buy them, and i DID know all this before hand... i wouldnt have been suprized or upset to find damage like this. and i surely wouldnt have given you a hard time about it.
but you kept very important details from me. you might never have told me if i didnt wave the proof in front of you. So i am just wondering what other info you are keeping from me. or from other people you have sold things to on "the internet" you made it clear that you dont care what happenes on "the internet"

I dont think i was unreasonable at all. i told you the things i found as they came up. yes i wasnt happy but i didnt call you up screaming and telling you you are an a-hole and demanding unreasonable things. I was pretty miffed about the ABS rings, but i got over it. I sucked up the boot tear. but when i found out the cv itself was cracked, and it was going to cost me what i paid for the whole setup to get it fixed... that is when i drew the line. I requested you pay for the repairs, just the "estimate" of what it would cost to get the axles to the point you told me they were already at when you sold them to me.

I dont think that is un-reasonable.
anyone else care to chime in here?
am i being rediculous in expecting to get what was described to me when i paid for the parts?
if i am, someone please tell me.

So you got 1200 dollar axles for 300 bucks and now you need 300 in supposed repairs. You are still less then half the full cost. You assume they fit judging by what is written on a website because that is so reliable. It was your job to call and talk to them or find someone who actually knows whether they do in fact work or not. I was always under the impression the later years had a slightly longer axle. If your noise started 20miles after installing them something wasn't done right so any damage is in your hands because you used them and since they weren't professionally installed there is no telling what you have done to them.

Dan Pelter wrote:So you got 1200 dollar axles for 300 bucks and now you need 300 in supposed repairs. You are still less then half the full cost. You assume they fit judging by what is written on a website because that is so reliable. It was your job to call and talk to them or find someone who actually knows whether they do in fact work or not. I was always under the impression the later years had a slightly longer axle. If your noise started 20miles after installing them something wasn't done right so any damage is in your hands because you used them and since they weren't professionally installed there is no telling what you have done to them.

First of all, who the heck are you? the mysterious harasser man? you sign up on forums just to jump in the middle of someone elses discussion and really offer nothing useful at all. As soon as me and adler settle this are you going to ride off into the sunset?

can you do us a favor and at least fill out your profile so you have some credibility. As of right now you are just the scrawny whimpy kid who hangs out with the school bully to look tough and just stands behind him hurling insults from a safe distance.

yes, i got $1200 axles for $350 dollars. But you see i didnt NEED nor want $1200 axles. I could have done what EVERYONE else does... buy a set of lifetime warranty axles at the local autoparts store for $75 each, and just return them for new ones anytime you damage them... hell for $75 a piece, i could afford to carry a spare set in my trunk. If you ask me $1200 for a set of axles is absolutely rediculous, and i would never pay that much for them. most cavaliers are hardly worth that price anymore.

THE ONLY reason i bought these was to save myself hassle. i figured for $150 i could buy 2 new lifetime warranty axles. and be covered. but if i did bust one, i had to go thru the grief of swapping them out. I figured for an extra $200 bucks i could buy these axles that SHOULD hold up to any abuse i throw at them and i would only need to install them once and be done with it, and not have anymore headaches.

Well guess what, everything i bought these for has totally gone to hell. I have had to pull them out of the car 3 times now. in less than 300 miles. i am going to have to shell out ANOTHER $300 to get them fixed. i am going to either be car-less or put my old stockers back in.. then put these back in all over again once they are fixed. So much for spending $200 to save myself the hassle... that $200 bought me a heap of extra hassle, and got me an added $300 bill.

so yeah... if i needed or wanted $1200 axles... then yeah, i would be doing cartwheels that i got these for half price. but the fact is that I needed $150 axles... CHOSE to buy $350 axles instead, and it ended up costing me $650. the fact they are worth $1200 new is meaningless to me. They are not new, they will never be new... and your buddy adler made it pretty clear that "used racing parts" are a bit of a joke. so talk about retail cost all you want. but we are dealing with rebuilt parts... USED rebuilt parts... BROKEN used rebuilt parts... so i think retail value is right out the window here. if you dont understand this, go to kbb.com and read up on how the age and use of things effects their value.

oh... and i would SURE AS HELL hope that the manufacturer's own website would know what axles go in what cars. that wasnt some 2-bit dealers home brew website. that was the actual manufacturers website. and i HAVE talked to their techs, multiple times now. and there were some slight variations on axles thru the years. the biggest difference was the use of an intermediate shaft on some engines... well if you look at the description, it clearly points out that this axle covers all models and all manual transmisions, and even models with the intermediate shafts.. it spells it out very clearly there for you. but you can call them up and ask them to tell you the exact same thing if you so desire.

and professional installation... hmmm... you must be a newbie to forums... if any of us had things "professionally installed" we wouldnt be on the forum. if you look around, you will see that the entire forum here is based around helping people to do things themself. and how to do things better than the professionals.

i am willing to bet you that neither adler here, nor mike before him can furnish reciepts showing that the axels were professionally installed in their cars by a qualified shop. I would be willing to bet that both of them installed them in their own cars with their own hands. So again... good try.. but doesnt work here.

I have been here longer then you. I just don't post much anymore and I saw this browsing the forum and I am not reading all that @!#$ ^^^^^

LOL So I get a phone call the other day.. Well I wont get into that..


Adler did not knowingly sell these things broken. He did forget they didnt have abs rings.. but who cares besides you.

I snapped them 4th pass out of the box..... Then got them fixed under warranty.... Frank Upgraded the shafts. replaced the Ball joints and outer CVs.
They were then sold to adler. He made more than 100 hp and trq less than me. We had about 8 track passes on them with zero issues. Smoked the clutch then his car was parted out.

DSS's track record with quality is questionable at best... I ran DSS level 5s in my 2003 Cobra for a while and have worked on many with the same axles and have seen fitment issues. machining issues. Axles chewing on bearings like bazooka joe...ect and have seen it across the net. DSS customer service is great but I wonder about the products.

That picture of your cage looks like a stress fracture(bad materials). And you sir are far from the expert to say when, what or, who caused it. I can attest to the fact that Adlers car made no noise and had zero issues other than a smoked clutch when they came out.

So in summary..........

$1200 axles for $350 with 3rd day $80 shipping.. I think the wrong person thinks they got Fd.

Cry Cry Cry...


Mike

PS - Go write a book on something you might make some money cause your obviously long winded.





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need i say more?

you're not going to like to hear this, but you did ask for people to weigh in with their thoughts on the matter. you KNOWINGLY BOUGHT used parts that had been used FOR RACING. you have the two previous owners of said parts saying that when they sold them, there was no noise or any issue with the axles. isuzu and getrag axles? different beasts. it honestly sounds to me like a case of buyers' remorse.



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Adler, Heeeeeeeeeeeey dude!

I don't usually add my two cents to posts like these because, well... they are none of my business. But in this case, I have known Adler for YEARS, quite frankly I am embarassed for him that you would call him a liar/thief or whatever it is you are.

Seems to me he sold you parts as is..... racing/aftermarket parts at that, he told you what the parts consisted of, how many passes, physical (visually) condition, etc. My point is, Adler wouldn't sell you, nor anyone else, and never has as far as I am concerned, sold a bad piece of car part to anyone. One last thing you must realize, is how long you have been here, and how long Adler has been a part of the Jbody community (even though he is no longer, he has moved onto greener pastures, bastard!!).

You messed up, accept it and move on.

Mike wrote:DSS's track record with quality is questionable at best... I ran DSS level 5s in my 2003 Cobra for a while and have worked on many with the same axles and have seen fitment issues. machining issues. Axles chewing on bearings like bazooka joe...ect and have seen it across the net. DSS customer service is great but I wonder about the products.

And I have seen the same thing on atleast three 2003-2004 Cobras that I have worked on.

Mike wrote:PS - Go write a book on something you might make some money cause your obviously long winded.

That is the truth!!!!!!

Isaak wrote:My point is, Adler wouldn't sell you, nor anyone else, and never has as far as I am concerned, sold a bad piece of car part to anyone. One last thing you must realize, is how long you have been here, and how long Adler has been a part of the Jbody community (even though he is no longer, he has moved onto greener pastures, bastard!!).

Whats up.....Didnt I sell or buy some parts off of you a few years ago Isaak? What it that 62mm throttlebody? I have moved on to greener pastures....that is now just sitting in the garage. Getting caught in a down pour of rain while driving on skinnies and drag radials = fun time with a wall. LOL

ken soggs wrote:maybe just maybe the axles were indeed making noise on your car... you did tell me your engine was making bottom end noises before you pulled it apart and sold her. maybe you just didnt "notice" the CV noises over the top of your other noises...

Quote:

You are crazy. I can tell the difference between bottem end engine noise and drivetrain noise. There is no way that a slight tapping noise coming from the lower end of the motor (rod bearings), would be louder than the noises that are claiming with the axles.

275hp & 306tq - 1999 2.2 ohv
13.2 @ 108 mph
-1996 2.4 liter + Turbo + Built motor + Torco + More boost = Lots o' Power
-2000 Mustang GT + 2004 Cobra motor, Whipple 2.3 supercharger,
built rear-end,Dodge Viper spec T56 6 speed, bolt-ons = wheelies at the track!!!!!

Yup, how is that 62mm throttlebody doing? One of a kind piece right there!

Mike wrote:Adler did not knowingly sell these things broken. He did forget they didnt have abs rings.. but who cares besides you.

well considering the sale was between me and adler... the fact that i care is a rather big deal. and a mistake that was worth 33% of the total sale.

Mike wrote: I snapped them 4th pass out of the box..... Then got them fixed under warranty.... Frank Upgraded the shafts. replaced the Ball joints and outer CVs.
They were then sold to adler. He made more than 100 hp and trq less than me. We had about 8 track passes on them with zero issues. Smoked the clutch then his car was parted out.

odd how every time the story gets told the numbers go up. he said you made 2 runs and broke them, and he claimed to have only made 4 runs. but oh well that is trivial.

Mike wrote:DSS's track record with quality is questionable at best... I ran DSS level 5s in my 2003 Cobra for a while and have worked on many with the same axles and have seen fitment issues. machining issues. Axles chewing on bearings like bazooka joe...ect and have seen it across the net. DSS customer service is great but I wonder about the products.
That picture of your cage looks like a stress fracture(bad materials). And you sir are far from the expert to say when, what or, who caused it. I can attest to the fact that Adlers car made no noise and had zero issues other than a smoked clutch when they came out.

See this is something good to know. This is my first experience with them, and i had only heard good things, and yes their customer service people seem great. If you notice i never blamed adler right off for "breaking them" I give people the benefit of the doubt. i even said that it may have been something the fault of DSS.

I never claimed to know what when or even who broke them. all i know is that they are broken, and that they were on 3 cars. 2 used at the track on very powerful cars... and one durring engine break in cruising around city streets at 40mph and probably seeing 100hp total. It doesnt take an expert to make use of those clues.

mike wrote:$1200 axles for $350 with 3rd day $80 shipping.. I think the wrong person thinks they got Fd.

he sold them willingly and he picked the price. Yes it was cool of him to do the faster shipping, but again he didnt have to. (and i doubt it cost $80, i have shipped larger heavier packages overnight for $80) yes $350 was a good deal for these. which i why i bought them. and maybe even $650 is a deal... but not to me it isnt.

I am complaining about the communication. the non disclosure of important details. If you bought a used car... and found out later that it had been totaled, salvaged, rebuilt, re-titled and sold again.. but the seller never told you any of that, they just said "yeah it was my buddys, i bought it off him and drove it for a bit and now i dont want it anymore" there is a whole corporation based off that very premise. Maybe you have heard of Car-Fax.

if i knew all that i know now, and still bought them... then yeah.. it was all my fault, i bought them knowing what they were. but in this case i bought them only knowing half the story. and the "selectively good half" at that.

Rich Grayo Jr. wrote:you're not going to like to hear this, but you did ask for people to weigh in with their thoughts on the matter. you KNOWINGLY BOUGHT used parts that had been used FOR RACING. you have the two previous owners of said parts saying that when they sold them, there was no noise or any issue with the axles. isuzu and getrag axles? different beasts. it honestly sounds to me like a case of buyers' remorse.

Yes i did ask for opinions. And i appreciate yours.. yes i did knowingly buy USED RACING axles. but i did not KNOWINGLY buy REBUILT USED and PREVIOUSLY DESTROYED axles. That part was swept under the rug.
if i had taken the car to the track and they broke under stress... then that is my bad.. should have bought new with a warranty... but to have them act up before i even make it out of my neighborhood... i dont think that should be on me.
but again i respect your chiming in, even if you were cheering for the other team.

Isaak wrote:
I don't usually add my two cents to posts like these because, well... they are none of my business. But in this case, I have known Adler for YEARS, quite frankly I am embarassed for him that you would call him a liar/thief or whatever it is you are.

Seems to me he sold you parts as is..... racing/aftermarket parts at that, he told you what the parts consisted of, how many passes, physical (visually) condition, etc. My point is, Adler wouldn't sell you, nor anyone else, and never has as far as I am concerned, sold a bad piece of car part to anyone. One last thing you must realize, is how long you have been here, and how long Adler has been a part of the Jbody community (even though he is no longer, he has moved onto greener pastures, bastard!!).

You messed up, accept it and move on.

I dont know adler from mother teresa. I am just calling it how i see it. He knowingly kept important information from me knowing that it probably would have broken the deal. But at least finding broken parts wouldnt have been such a shock had i known the whole history. To me that is dishonest. his story kept changing every time he told it, the numbers go up, more of the story comes out, and it all continues to change even now. I talked to him about this all in email before i ever mentioned a thing on the forum. I dont like to embarass people or give anyone a bad rep.

Adler might be an awesome guy, and might have a great car and sell sweet parts... and maybe i am the first person that has had this kinda problem with him, but i assure you that if your first dealing with him was a situation like mine here... you might not think he was such a great guy.

I told him all my issues as i found them. I gave him adequte time to explain them, or offer assistance. But every time it was basiaclly oh gee, i didnt know... sorry.

If Adler did what you say he did, that is not my business nor anyone else unless you can PROVE he did what he did. Bringing this to the boards is not what you should have done, it does nothing but cause issues UNLESS you have solid proof... which is where you lack.

Sorry about your luck, I hope all works out.

Isaak wrote:If Adler did what you say he did, that is not my business nor anyone else unless you can PROVE he did what he did. Bringing this to the boards is not what you should have done, it does nothing but cause issues UNLESS you have solid proof... which is where you lack.

Sorry about your luck, I hope all works out.

what exactly is it that "he did" that i am lacking proof of?
my biggest issue is his lack of truthfullness and remorse. while he never outright lied, he certainly didnt tell the "whole truth"
all conversations about this exchange were done via email, so there is a documented and verifyable papertrail of everything that was and wasnt said.

I wouldnt even have cared so much if the guy had shown some remorse or sympathy. offered to take them back and refund me, offer to at least pay for the install of ABS rings..
but he did nothing, offered nothing, he just denied everything.
when i pointed out the missing ABS rings... "When I had them on my car, I didnt have a ABS light on. I had them on my car for maybe 3 months and never noticed the ABS light on."

last i checked you can still get a speeding ticket even if you "didnt realize it was only a 25mph zone". the lack of observation does not change the facts.

He didnt notice any noises, but did he pull the boot off and remove the grease? did he know the axle wasnt cracked when he had them? or did he just not notice it, just like the abs rings.

yeah a bad CV is kinda noticable... but so is a glaring amber ABS light on the dash... but he somehow missed that.

the part IS broken, when or how or where it broke... who knows...

@!#$ happens... but when your @!#$ lands on someone else, you should at least have the respect to help them wipe it off.

ken soggs wrote:

Mike wrote: I snapped them 4th pass out of the box..... Then got them fixed under warranty.... Frank Upgraded the shafts. replaced the Ball joints and outer CVs.
They were then sold to adler. He made more than 100 hp and trq less than me. We had about 8 track passes on them with zero issues. Smoked the clutch then his car was parted out.

odd how every time the story gets told the numbers go up. he said you made 2 runs and broke them, and he claimed to have only made 4 runs. but oh well that is trivial.

mike wrote:$1200 axles for $350 with 3rd day $80 shipping.. I think the wrong person thinks they got Fd.

Guess thats what happens over 5 years and word of mouth... Stories can change..

and again. 33% of the cost of $350 which is 30% of the original value and adler paid 50% more to ship to you 3 day out of his pocket...

looks like a one sided post whore contest.

mike


410Hp 404Ftlbs : )

need i say more?

Mike wrote:

ken soggs wrote:
and again. 33% of the cost of $350 which is 30% of the original value and adler paid 50% more to ship to you 3 day out of his pocket...
looks like a one sided post whore contest.
mike

man i would love to sell some stuff to you... obviously nothing matters as long as the price is below retail and you get good shipping,

i have some great tires here, i only had them on the car for a few months, bought them for over $125 each. i will give you all 4 for $60, and throw in free shipping!!!


and then after you buy them and find sidewall damage, and punctures, and see that 2 of them are bald... i will say

"oh gee, i never knew that, they were fine when i had them on my car, you probably put them on wrong and spun your tires all day long to make them go bald. sorry, but hey, you got a good deal and free shipping thats what counts!"

i mean who wants working parts, and honest answers... it is all about the shipping and deals!

hey look an internet coupon for cat food... i should buy it... 50% off and free shipping... who cares if i dont have a cat!

in all honesty adler is a good guy and i know he wouldnt knowingly sell broken parts, i can bet if he knew it was broken he would of sent them off him self to be fixed and then sold them for that much more, and i dont really get why you keep talking about how they have be broken before, they where rebuilt by the manufactor and beefed up at that so they where better than your regular off the shelf stage 3 axles. to have you know isuzu axles are longer than getrag axles...





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