Sit and wait? Yes, thats it, thats exactly what I did...
Point proven....
Game, set and match...
Chris get that thing back together and keep us updated I wanna see 500 who
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Actually, i opened up the org because i was bored at work. Much like I am now.
In all seriousness...
I only post this stuff to stir the pot. Its fun and meaningless... the basis for 99%of the web.
But what I post is totally based in truth. even if your impression of the situation is skewed.
1st- It is not an accomplishment till it happens. No matter how much you spend, how much wwork you do, or how confident you are, you simply never know what will work untill it actually does work. No amount of math, whether its only 40 pages or double that, will prove otherwise.
2nd- alot of the boasting is based on a rumored "daily driven 500whp J" in Canada. This is total BS. Same as the basis for this post, just beause JBP claims they have built their own car to that point does not make it true.
Truth would be dyno vids or, at minimum, actually showing up at some event somewhere and performing at a 500whp level (low 10s at minimum in this case).
It has never happened and will never happen because the car is all BS. The fact that it traces its origin to JPB is proof enough for alot of the better informed on the org because we have plenty of experience with their unproven claims. (sidenote- if someone wants to point to a post a few months ago showing the JBP "custom" oil pump compared to a stock one as proof that their claims of designing their own pump are true... thus making any other claims true... Its not true. The pics posted of the "JBP" pump are actually OEM replacement Melling pump pics)
3rd- Secrets. No one here, this includes me and everyone else, has ever done anything to an engine that is unheard of or never before done. There are no secrets. The only true reasons for anyone to not post info while claim its a secret are:
a) They don't understand what they are talking about and don't want to post info that could be ridiculed because of it. b) (This builds on a)) they have been baffled with BS by someone else involved and are afraid to be ridiculed by it. c) Nothing significantly special or different has been done.
Look at any of the fastest cars here (list in racing forum), none of them has ever claimed anything "secret" about the car.
4th- Claims. None of the truly fastest cars here have any history of posting " Hey everybody, look at me, Here's what I'm planning to do in the future". All of them only posted the accomplishments after actually accomplishing them. To the contrary, there are at least 2 to 3 posts each year here with boasts about future accomplishments... and none of them... none... ever prove out to the claims.
5th- Shift of credit. When the posts about this project first came to light, its was always mentioning JBP. Nowhere in this post has the name come up. Instead, at least now in this post, the owner is beginning to take all the credit for anything instead of acknowledging the builder. (yes that a particular issue to me personally)
6th- Stupid useless BS used to prove claims. I just loved the beer on the battery test. A test the shows nothing. Here's a control group for that test: 2 cars, one a stock brand new GM vehicle and the other, a top fuel dragster. Place a beer on each cars battery and rev them to 2k rpm. With out actually doing it, I'm reliably guessing that the stock GM will stand still and the Top fuel car will move everywhere, perhaps even shattering the bottle. Yet by the comments in this thread, one would have to conclude that the dragster will be out performed by the stock GM car.
7th- Annoyances. Being told "your piling on" or being accused of ignorance or jealousy as a counter arguement to trying to bring the truth back into focus is really annoying. No one that has posted anything in this post, that can be counted as detracting from it, has posted anything false or unsubstantionated.
I am in no way threatened by the possibility of 500whp, nor do I hope anyone fails in the attempt. I just want to see a real, proven accomplishment before boasting or claiming is done. At this point, the only accomplishment that has been done here is that an engine has been removed and replaced... something thousands on this site have also done. Calll in when its really been done.
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wow good work!! what hp are you shooting for when you go back to the dyno with bigger injectors, a higher rev limit, and more boost ??? as you said you were doing shortly...
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4th- Claims. None of the truly fastest cars here have any history of posting " Hey everybody, look at me, Here's what I'm planning to do in the future". All of them only posted the accomplishments after actually accomplishing them.
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Look at the guy right above me for example. Ran a 12.8, I didn't hear any promises prior. 2nd example, Brandon Fetter.
I respect accomplishments, not talk.
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SpeedRacerZ wrote:amen....
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*sighs* I've been ignoring your crap for a while but I guess that post forces me to say a few things.
First off - JBP built the motor. Top to bottom . I have never and will never disagree or disregard that fact. I removed it and reinstalled it with help.
Some facets of the motor I brought to the table, things Mev didn't know about or wasn't 100% clear on. Remember he specializes in V6 motors and knows them front to back but the LD9 had some dark spots... but he knows his sh!t.
"secrets"... I don't have many secrets. The people that I talk to privately know QUITE a bit about the motor, and I even have helped some gain the parts. I just prefer not to toss out the entire build list to the entire world. It's personal preference... and it was my money spent to develop some of it....
Your crap about the oil pump is - once again - false. The pump is not custom top to bottom. He takes the melling pump and modifies them with new machined parts. Once again you are incorrect and are assuming Todd. I have even spoken to Mev about your claims of his "false" oil pump and he just shakes his head and says that's why he doesn't post on the .org - he'd rather let customers come to him and find out the truth.
Claiming my car is "all BS" is ONCE AGAIN - false. WHERE have I claimed I have "MADE" 500 whp? I haven't - not ONCE, not EVER. Why it chafes your ass that I have stated I PLAN TO, I'll never understand. Todd... the engine was installed end of August. It took me 3 weeks to break the motor in - 3000 km or 1800 miles. Just before I was about to drop in my 1000cc injectors and sit down and tune the car and bring the power up we discovered a very serious issue with the motor....
Guess what - it's currently partially diassembled and being tested/inspected for said problem. Why have I said little? Because I don't want ANYBODY to lose faith in Mev's abilities... he is a VERY good engine builder and he has been nothing but good to me through this entire process. Again the people that know me and speak with me privalely know all the details behind that claim.
The REASON I changed the timeline on my goal is because it became clear that fixing the issue, then fixing 2 other external non-engine problems I have and THEN finally tuning it before the season is out and the weather gets bad isn't gonna happen. As it is it's been VERY cold here at nights and I wouldn't be surprised if we saw some freezing temperatures within 3-4 weeks.
I'm SO sorry if for some reason this has all offended you as a human being, a car enthusiast and an engine builder. Everybody who has posted a congratulations has congratulated me not for achieving my ultimate goal yet but actually getting the engine finished and INTO the car, which took almost a year.
I have said very openly what I plan to do with this motor, and I'll do it when everything is 100% ready. I'm sorry if you find that disgusting for some reason but I feel setting a goal for yourself and pushing yourself to achieve it is a good thing. I'm not your usual "I'm gonna do this blah blah blah" enthusiast with pipe dreams and nothing to back it up - the motor is BUILT. It's IN the car. It needs to be tweaked and a few other variables need to be attended to and I can finally sit down and take some TIME to get to where I want to be. Did everybody slag Karo when he said he was gonna have the fastest N/A car on the .org? No. Everybody watched as you built his engine, everybody watched as it was broken in, was attended to, patched up, and then finally did what it was promised to do. That took quite a bit of time didn't it?
What's the difference here? None other than the fact that you don't like that I've said 500. Would you be happier if I said 300? I already achieved 300... so I guess that could make you happy for now?
I really don't know what you want - if you plan to spend the next 6 months (the offseason) slagging me then I guess you have too much free time and not enough clients. I have about 20 minutes a day to poke at a few websites and I'm otherwise working, seeing family or enjoying other facets of my life. I'm out of time for this season and I'm NOT happy about it but I can't do anything about it other than spend the winter getting everything ready and coming out next season on the dyno and then heading to the track. I don't plan to speak of the car again until I've achieved it... this post is now over 6 weeks old from when I put the motor in - let it die. You'll hear about it again when she does what I expect of her.
A 500 whp J-body is coming. It could be Yasmin, it could be Brandon, it could be Brian, it could be somebody else, or it could be... me. I'm just the only one who's been stupid enough to publicly say that's what he wants to do with his car. But I am a man of my word and what I say will be done will be done.
If that isn't enough to please you, I apologize Todd. But my world revolves around me, not what others think or expect of me. And I do things on my own time, when I can find it.
Good day to you.
-Chris-
-Sweetness-
-Turbocharged-
Slowly but surely may some day win this race...
And that would be my post about my JBP oil pump.. I second what Chris said about it.. Its not a stock damn oil pump for the 1384334739493264th time!!! I even posted the numbers to prove the damn thing, I even talked to Mev about it before I bought the pump.
Back on topic, take your time chris. I wouldnt even talk about it anymore and waste your time..
~2014 New Z under the knife, same heart different body~
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"What's the difference here? None other than the fact that you don't like that I've said 500. Would you be happier if I said 300? I already achieved 300... so I guess that could make you happy for now?"
Dyno sheets?????And dont gimme the crap about me never showin mine(i told a select few but it spread like wildfire),im not into cars for the attention i do it for myself thats why i dont post up my crap.
The reason i keep busting your balls is cause you would ask me questions and then proceed to tell me i was wrong rite after makes me laugh now that i had finished my car/drove it for a year and a half/sold it and now watch you following in my footsteps....i sure hope you enjoy ALL the money you dropped into it more then i did because you will never get it back.GOOD LUCK and i do hope you get in finished one day.
SweetnessGT wrote:we discovered a very serious issue with the motor....
SweetnessGT wrote:I don't want ANYBODY to lose faith in Mev's abilities... he is a VERY good engine builder
It's good to see he builds his customers' LD9s as well as he builds their LN2s
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
( What was this serious issue to the engine? )
Problem found, being remedied now.
sdsgt wrote:"What's the difference here? None other than the fact that you don't like that I've said 500. Would you be happier if I said 300? I already achieved 300... so I guess that could make you happy for now?"
Dyno sheets?????And dont gimme the crap about me never showin mine(i told a select few but it spread like wildfire),im not into cars for the attention i do it for myself thats why i dont post up my crap.The reason i keep busting your balls is cause you would ask me questions and then proceed to tell me i was wrong rite after makes me laugh now that i had finished my car/drove it for a year and a half/sold it and now watch you following in my footsteps....i sure hope you enjoy ALL the money you dropped into it more then i did because you will never get it back.GOOD LUCK and i do hope you get in finished one day.
Are you stupid? The car's barely been driven, barely had a chance to be tuned, and you want dyno sheets? Get a damn life you idiot. Give the guy a chance to drive the car first. You're pretty ignorant considering you claim you have all this @!#$ done to your motor. If you did, you would know when there is this much work done to an engine, there are problems that need to be ironed out.
I'm as anxious as you are, but please, keep your pants on, if you're bored, go buy another jbody and get your jollies off it.
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OHV Notec - that was a pretty ignorant comment actually. The issue wasn't even close to his fault and he has spent quite a bit of time at no charge to me to find it and remedy it.
This is the reason I don't mention his shop much, who needs people like Todd or you to keep dragging a good companies name in the mud? Has he fubar'd a few motors? I don't have personal experience, I saw VTLOKI's pictures... what I DO know is that the entire time he's been doing my build he's been incredibly helpful, he's been extremely careful and detail oriented, and he's backed his work 100%.
God forbid something goes wrong with an engine with as many changes as mine has undergone... with all the heat treating, coating, machining, and custom parts something was bound to have a small issue... this was a small issue that caused a serious oiling problem.
*shakes head* Wow.
-Chris-
-Sweetness-
-Turbocharged-
Slowly but surely may some day win this race...
SweetnessGT wrote:OHV Notec - that was a pretty ignorant comment actually. The issue wasn't even close to his fault and he has spent quite a bit of time at no charge to me to find it and remedy it.
This is the reason I don't mention his shop much, who needs people like Todd or you to keep dragging a good companies name in the mud? Has he fubar'd a few motors? I don't have personal experience, I saw VTLOKI's pictures... what I DO know is that the entire time he's been doing my build he's been incredibly helpful, he's been extremely careful and detail oriented, and he's backed his work 100%.
God forbid something goes wrong with an engine with as many changes as mine has undergone... with all the heat treating, coating, machining, and custom parts something was bound to have a small issue... this was a small issue that caused a serious oiling problem.
*shakes head* Wow.
-Chris-
Sorry to hear about the engine problems but it was bound to happen,that was part of the reason i got rid of mine..all the headaches gettin her done just made me not enjoy it anymore.Hope yours turns out better.
Chris, i've been watching this post since you said the motor is going back in, i wish you luck man and sincerely hope everything works out for ya!!!!
1st 1st gen on air.....
damn, thats gonna be sick! I can't wait for this to be 100% up and running!!!! Awsome job man, props to all the hard work and im sure it will pay off.
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SweetnessGT wrote:OHV Notec - that was a pretty ignorant comment actually. The issue wasn't even close to his fault and he has spent quite a bit of time at no charge to me to find it and remedy it.
This is the reason I don't mention his shop much, who needs people like Todd or you to keep dragging a good companies name in the mud? Has he fubar'd a few motors? I don't have personal experience, I saw VTLOKI's pictures... what I DO know is that the entire time he's been doing my build he's been incredibly helpful, he's been extremely careful and detail oriented, and he's backed his work 100%.
God forbid something goes wrong with an engine with as many changes as mine has undergone... with all the heat treating, coating, machining, and custom parts something was bound to have a small issue... this was a small issue that caused a serious oiling problem.
I'm sure he's a great guy, and I've never heard of service problems, but the problem is that everything he sends out shouldn't have to be fixed. Now, I won't hesitate to point out that people are more likely to post on here with problems they've had rather than problems they haven't had, but everything I've seen JBP sell to the OHV crowd has been shotty. Either they rushed a job (Loki's), misrepresented the parts (personal experience here), sent the wrong parts (anything for a 2200 they just send you 94-97 parts, which doesn't work, and they've done it numerous times) or didn't put R&D into what they resold (LN2 valvetrain components not being able to work together or with the rest of the motor...hell, they couldn't even tell me the pressures for the springs they wanted to sell). I've seen numerous accounts for each, but I've also seen it from Mantapart, RSM, and JTuners.
Most of these companies also had great customer service, but poor quality output. It was not an ignorant comment (obviously I didn't know what your specific problem was), it was semi-sarcstic.
I wish you the best of luck with your build, I really do hope you meet your goals, and I realize there are always problems when everything is practically hand-built, but I would never willingly recommend your builder to anyone looking to build an LN2...how's that?
fortune cookie say:
better a delay than a disaster.
