would it be possible to put a honda h22 or a b18 in a cavalier

well.. I saw (not personally) a quad powered hatch civic. I'll have to dig up the post from quad 4 forums.


Anything is possible if you have cash/time

the mounts are differents, not without serious modding. What's the point???? Putting the ennemy engine in a j-body........ It would look stupid if you want to know, just buy a honda. Putting an american motor in an import is ok, but not the opposite

Da Ghost (Qc) wrote: the mounts are differents, not without serious modding. What's the point???? Putting the ennemy engine in a j-body........ It would look stupid if you want to know, just buy a honda. Putting an american motor in an import is ok, but not the opposite

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Scott, I'll put it this way...if you have the money, anything is possible but you would litterally have to swap out everything in the engine bay, transmission, axles, possibly guage cluster etc.

You also have to think, is it really worth it? I mean, if you want a Honda motor so bad, why not just buy a Honda? I'm not saying this to sound biased but I would say this to someone who had an Nissan but wanted to put an H22 motor in their car as well.



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Yes it could I guess with a lot of work and money. DO us a favor and go buy a prelude or an integra.


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NJHK (That Black Guy) wrote:Scott, I'll put it this way...if you have the money, anything is possible but you would litterally have to swap out everything in the engine bay, transmission, axles, possibly guage cluster etc.

You also have to think, is it really worth it? I mean, if you want a Honda motor so bad, why not just buy a Honda? I'm not saying this to sound biased but I would say this to someone who had an Nissan but wanted to put an H22 motor in their car as well.

I would have said almost the same thing.



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it would probablly cost just as much as just buying a prelude


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i would agree it is possible but we all got J's cause we dint want a honda, i would say put that money into a 2.3 H.O. i am starting my build now, and i think it should kick ass, alot easier to put in then a b22 or b18 keep it J

Inari and Adam pretty much summed it up... TIME KNOWLEDGE MONEY..... if you combine any combo of two out of those three things, it can be done.


before anyone else asks or responds with...

"but why?"
"its a waste of time"
"or some anti honda gm pride BS..."


sit back and think about the many idiots who ask

"WHY do each and all of you mod a cheap sport compact economy car?, why dont you get a real car like a V8 or a car that actually costs in the mid 30;s with unlimited aftermarket potential. something that will run atleast 13's or 12's in stock form or with simple boltons??"


with that being said...

anyone can BUY a honda....

anyone can BUY a j-body....

but not many can succesfully do an engine swap with an engine thats not originally in that said chassis.

think about all the guys on here who have done the v6 swaps... it took work, time, money and generally, knowing WTF you were doing for guys like raven, mr goodwrench and FEW others who have done it...



chances are, if anyone has done the math....

it would cost LESS than buying a prelude if you price out your parts and DIY.....

reason... strip the electronics and go with an aftermarket computer. do the fabrication measurements yourself and then have a place weld up mounts... less time in the shop equals more money saved.



the fabrication mechanically and geometrically would prob be the hardest part.



if people can start looking past this brand loyalty and false sense of GM pride boooooolsh____, you might actually see some creations that do well and have way more potential easily available..



while the question adam poses is legit

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is it worth it

thats solely up to the owner/fabricator/wallet to decide.... alot of people will ask you all is it worth wasting time modding a car that was never meant to be fast.... aks what EACH OF US HERE DRIVE...

a few of us figured it would be, so we add rebuilt engines, fabricated or prototyped parts, or turbos and nitrous. some just a few boltons.

others add gobs of fiberglass, bondo and paint and end up in HIN and NOPI car shows...



theres no such thing as an "enemy engine" or some other childish CRAP like that. granted some of you are still in your teens, acting like engines are coodies is def meant for grade school discussions.


half the people on this site were sweating TOYOTA TAILIGHTS and importing toyota cavaliers, and wanting TRD replica body parts not long ago and even now... as it stands quite a few of you have FOREIGN PARTS ON YOUR CARS RIGHT NOW.....

so if the remedialy minded can leave their ego for their pants and use some thought, even if you dont like to do so or like the idea proposed, just think...

someone who you deem to be an idiot for asking you why would you mod an economy crap platform, dont turn around and be just like him and ask why someone would put a (blank) engine in and (blank) car...

with just 17 seconds or less of thought, you should arrive to the answer of

A) not many have done it and its something to do if you wanna be different and not like 1800 other cars. Personally car shows with the same cars, same engines, same body kits, and sometimes similar colors is boring as hell.

B) its a challenge, cause half the people who ask about swapping engines cant even accomplish it with the many walkthroughs posted. to do a completely different engine rarely done will be far harder....

or

C) realize that there are other engines out there with FAR more potential than cavalier and sunfire engines... granted the ecotec is around, most honda engines have been around for even longer and hence have more options when it comes to parts. with cavalier and sunfire owners being some of the cheapest out there, theres still a relatively small market compared to most imports.

anyone who does their research, gets some manuals and does a bit of mappin stuff out, can do what was originally asked. thats basically what the people who stuffed V-8's into cavaliers have done.

food for thought

Funky Bottoms (Event) wrote:theres no such thing as an "enemy engine" or some other childish CRAP like that. granted some of you are still in your teens, acting like engines are coodies is def meant for grade school discussions.

I have nothing against honda, one of my friend have a 200whp civic. I have never been fan of swap when it's not an engine from the same company. A guy that I know had an old RX7 with a chevy block in it. With a lot of money and time it could be done... but honestly, how would you react to see a honda engine in a cavy....??? He would need to redesign the mounts in the engine bay, to get it to fit and work properly, wiring diagrams of both cars if he don't plan to rip all the wiring (lights and other stuff). He'll also need to figure how to make the brakes system, gas pedal and clutch fit with the actual setting of the car. If you really want to do this swap, then take a couple of paper sheets and wrote down EVERYTHING that you'll need to change, modify, fit.. You would have to swap cluster too since both don't work the same way. It's a giant job if you ask me. A friend of mine is swapping a WRX engine in an older subaru that had an 1.8L. The car have been in a garage for 4 months now... Everything that you'll forget will cause you some headaches later.... Sorry if I sounded rude....

Da Ghost (Qc) wrote:

Funky Bottoms (Event) wrote:theres no such thing as an "enemy engine" or some other childish CRAP like that. granted some of you are still in your teens, acting like engines are coodies is def meant for grade school discussions.

I have nothing against honda, one of my friend have a 200whp civic. I have never been fan of swap when it's not an engine from the same company. A guy that I know had an old RX7 with a chevy block in it. With a lot of money and time it could be done... but honestly, how would you react to see a honda engine in a cavy....??? He would need to redesign the mounts in the engine bay, to get it to fit and work properly, wiring diagrams of both cars if he don't plan to rip all the wiring (lights and other stuff). He'll also need to figure how to make the brakes system, gas pedal and clutch fit with the actual setting of the car. If you really want to do this swap, then take a couple of paper sheets and wrote down EVERYTHING that you'll need to change, modify, fit.. You would have to swap cluster too since both don't work the same way. It's a giant job if you ask me. A friend of mine is swapping a WRX engine in an older subaru that had an 1.8L. The car have been in a garage for 4 months now... Everything that you'll forget will cause you some headaches later.... Sorry if I sounded rude....

dont take any of this the wrong way but.....me? i'm far passed all the petty brand loyalty BS i see on most forums every day. i see V6 guys saying that 4 cylinder guys wasted a good v6 in puttin em in a 4 cylinder car, i see the same thing from v8 drivers saying the same to people who came with v6's or rotary engines for the 1st gen rx7 people. prides only good if you can learn to swallow it and respect others who actually dare to be different and make progress from being different.


when i do see cars with engines in em thats "not from the same company" i respect the hell out of it.

mainly because its something different. it takes time and knowledge in the least to get it done. i'd congradulate that person even more so for the fact that they had the balls to do what they wanted to do with their car, rather than the person who would be on the same level as the idiots who wanted to rename FRENCH FRIES to FREEDOM FRIES cause they didnt like france....

wiring diagrams and such can be gotten from shop manuals. brake systems.... http://wilwood.com/Products/005-PedalAssemblies/index.asp

you can pretty much make your own brake system in any car. just think of all the tube framed cars and how they get their parts.....easy to do as long as you do the research...


granted i agree its not gonna be like adding an intake, or even swapping an exact same engine as you have, but neither was the work that the guys mentioned above in the V6;s have done.

but when all is said and done you have something that draws attention, is unique, and not many can do.....

thats supposedly to be the whole premise on cars right? to make em unique?



i personally dont dig "eminem -just like me" mindset in the "tuner world"

i personally prefer those who do something a bit different than the avg...

Funky Bottoms (Event) wrote:Inari and Adam pretty much summed it up... TIME KNOWLEDGE MONEY..... if you combine any combo of two out of those three things, it can be done.

EXACTLY. When I swapped a different engine into my Charger, going from a 1.7 VW carbed motor to a 2.5 Chrysler with fuel injection, I learned ALOT more about wiring, fabricating, and compatibility than I EVER thought I would know. Some things just aren't possible, such as stuffing an International HT 570 into a Metro, but a Honda swap into a Cavalier would be interesting. I say go for it!!!




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Event - The question "why" can still be ask. Or in other words, "For witch reason you want an Honda engine in the J".

If he wants a Honda engine because of hp rating and torque(or because they are "fast", then he need to do more research because there's an engine that will have better ratings than the honda engine and will be easier to swap.

If he wants to do it for show, then good for him but I don't like that because I'm more towards performance and ANY engine can make alot of power. You just need knowledge.

If people ask "why" without thinking and start flaming then the question is stupid (talking about the "why").



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go buy a 96-99 honda dx hatch and swap a b16 into it, then turbo it. 11 second car. 5 or six grand plus cost of car. pretty simple project. now, try swapping a damn honda motor into a j-car? lots of pointless effort to still lose to a Z24 with intake and exhaust and a good driver.




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Mfk-223 wrote:Event - The question "why" can still be ask. Or in other words, "For witch reason you want an Honda engine in the J".

If he wants a Honda engine because of hp rating and torque(or because they are "fast", then he need to do more research because there's an engine that will have better ratings than the honda engine and will be easier to swap.

If he wants to do it for show, then good for him but I don't like that because I'm more towards performance and ANY engine can make alot of power. You just need knowledge.

If people ask "why" without thinking and start flaming then the question is stupid (talking about the "why").

def agree with ALL 3 points, mang!

the first one, i;ve always been an advocate of your engine is what you make of it, whether it be in any car a base model or the sport model.... bases can conquer sports just as well as vice versa....

2nd one, def TROOOOO! plus the shock value is always interesting on wild swaps.

and 3,def agree most def there. its even evident in muscle cars with pontiac and ford guys using chevy engines... people ask WHY and its usually based off of only the brand loyalty.

i feel ya!

just put the 3.8 supercharged monte carlo or gtp engine in a cavy and call it a day. wont be disapointed. 240hp

jsunfireGT2000 wrote:just put the 3.8 supercharged monte carlo or gtp engine in a cavy and call it a day. wont be disapointed. 240hp

why not just put a the new impala's engine in it? 303 HP, FWD i believe and, 28mpg highway??

i'd say go for a 4g63. but i suppose i'd rather see a cavalier with a honda / acura engine than seeing one on air bags.



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HAHAHA I'd say F the H22 and the B series engines and go with the K24 with the vtec head from a K20. Or even better go out and get a Toyota engine with VVT-i. Oh yea can't forget about the Saab Ecotec engine.

dude its your car. as long as you like it thats all that matters.
and as far as the "PETTY BRAND LOYALTY"goes this is a gm enthusiest website
that means its for people with "PETTY BRAND LOYALTY" THINK ABOUT IT

but scott like i said its your car do what makes you happy.
it will be alot of work and probably an ongoing project by nature.
any time you start moding a car especialy with parts that aren't meant to be in that car
you NEVER really stop working on it untill you get tired of the headache and get rid of it


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The motors on the oposite side. It would be harder to make motor mounts for it. It would be ALOT easier to stick with a GM motor.

If you want something different, you could swap in the 2.0 SC or a V6 like said above.

Why not just turbo the damn car you have now? It would probably cost less and you'll still be faster then any honda motor you could swap in. Dont get me wrong, i respect the idea, but your talking about the B18's and 16's like there gods gift to engines. You need to realize that any engine can be fast, just depends on (like its been said 11X before) TIME KNOWLEDGE MONEY! Dont fall into that stupid mentality that you need X engine with X upgrades to be considered any kind of threat. You can do anything with any engine, just keep your mind open man.

greenecotec2004 wrote:HAHAHA I'd say F the H22 and the B series engines and go with the K24 with the vtec head from a K20. Or even better go out and get a Toyota engine with VVT-i. Oh yea can't forget about the Saab Ecotec engine.

regarding the toyota motor...you mean VVTL-i...vvti is the standard corolla motor.




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