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BMW & Honda will be using Forced-Induction
Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:16 AM
Two companies that swore they would never rely on F-I, now they will. Talk about eating their words huh.

BMW will launch gasoline direct injection in Europe next month in the 3-series coupe. BMW will debut it in North America later this year. BMW showed a 3.0-liter, twin-turbocharged V-6 with gasoline direct injection at the Geneva auto show. "We will deliver this engine worldwide," said Klaus Borgmann, director of powertrain development for BMW in Munich. Named HPI, (High Precision Injection) in the combination existing valvetronic sytem. The engine betters today’s N-A 3.0L I-6 by 41 HP at 306HP. Torque peaks at a solid 300lb-ft of torque.

The Acura RDX represents the first appearance of a forced-induction Acura engine. The 2.3-liter turbocharged i-VTEC four-cylinder cranks out 240 hp, for a specific output of more than 104 horses per liter. The little SUV rides on an all-new global light-truck platform and features Acura's Super Handling All-Wheel-Drive technology, which splits torque both fore and aft and left to right. Look for a production version of the RDX to hit dealers this summer.




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Re: BMW & Honda will be using Forced-Induction
Thursday, March 16, 2006 12:27 PM
Sounds like this grow to be a very good thing if Honda throws some FI in some more vehicles!



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Re: BMW & Honda will be using Forced-Induction
Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:05 PM
ok so now that i just checked up on the rdx
i would definitely like to see one in person, and what numbers it puts down



Re: BMW & Honda will be using Forced-Induction
Thursday, March 16, 2006 1:09 PM
themarin8r wrote:ok so now that i just checked up on the rdx
i would definitely like to see one in person, and what numbers it puts down

If people would just read a little.



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Re: BMW & Honda will be using Forced-Induction
Thursday, March 16, 2006 2:08 PM
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:The Acura RDX represents the first appearance of a forced-induction Acura engine. The 2.3-liter turbocharged i-VTEC four-cylinder cranks out 240 hp, for a specific output of more than 104 horses per liter. The little SUV rides on an all-new global light-truck platform and features Acura's Super Handling All-Wheel-Drive technology, which splits torque both fore and aft and left to right. Look for a production version of the RDX to hit dealers this summer.

Wow I finally knew about something befor GWGT did the RDX is actually pretty old news in Honda circles.. the RDX concept was at the Canadian National Auto show a few weeks ago..you can see the pics I took at the show here. (first 5 or so pics) The interesting thing about the RDX engine isn't just that it makes 240 hp but that it also make 260 ft lbs of torque.

What I haven't heard yet is if it's actually a boosted k-series a whole new series of engine. If it is it should make for some very interesting OEM parts..





Re: BMW & Honda will be using Forced-Induction
Thursday, March 16, 2006 4:18 PM
Good info!
Brew-san, I'm sure you've seen the article of the supposed new "Type R" in Japan with the boosted K-series? Nice tease.




Re: BMW & Honda will be using Forced-Induction
Thursday, March 16, 2006 4:28 PM
I knew about Honda since Dec and BMW's possibility since Feb. But I did not have the actual numbers and confirmation for both till now.

It is 2.3L and is brand new, it has variable-flow turbo reduces lag and maintains flow over the engine's entire rev range to produce consistent torque and significant power. It also uses a top-mounted intercooler to decrease intake charge temperatures. This engine is exclusive to Acura.
Here is a pic of the engine so you can get better acquainted and get some ideas with.





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Re: BMW & Honda will be using Forced-Induction
Thursday, March 16, 2006 5:37 PM
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:
themarin8r wrote:ok so now that i just checked up on the rdx
i would definitely like to see one in person, and what numbers it puts down

If people would just read a little.


i meant 0-60 and the such
i knew someone would take that wrong



Re: BMW & Honda will be using Forced-Induction
Friday, March 17, 2006 8:25 AM
Hmm, that sure does look like a K-Series valve cover under that intercooler. Very interesting though. Seems that Honda has always prided itself on makeing N/A motors with high outputs. Maybe they can finally put some torque out with their high hp numbers. I really hope they incorporate this into other models as time goes on. Very exciting...




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Re: BMW & Honda will be using Forced-Induction
Friday, March 17, 2006 11:02 AM
cavispeed wrote:Good info!
Brew-san, I'm sure you've seen the article of the supposed new "Type R" in Japan with the boosted K-series? Nice tease.


You talking about the one with a picture of a Type R and talking about the "integra" getting the the RDX engine.. I've seen it but it sounds like rumormongering to me..

Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:I knew about Honda since Dec and BMW's possibility since Feb. But I did not have the actual numbers and confirmation for both till now.

It is 2.3L and is brand new, it has variable-flow turbo reduces lag and maintains flow over the engine's entire rev range to produce consistent torque and significant power. It also uses a top-mounted intercooler to decrease intake charge temperatures. This engine is exclusive to Acura.
Here is a pic of the engine so you can get better acquainted and get some ideas with.


Awesome I've been looking for an under the hood shot. I knew about the RDX's power output before I saw the concept (mid feb). The top mount intercooler is news to me though..



Re: BMW & Honda will be using Forced-Induction
Saturday, March 18, 2006 9:09 AM
The new 2007 BMW 335i coupe has 302 hp and 295 lb-ft of torque and breaks ground as the first turbocharged gasoline-powered BMW in decades.
BY MIKE DUSHANE
PHOTOGRAPHY BY CHRISTA LEHMANN/HIDDEN IMAGE
March 2006

The BMW 335i coupe that will appear later this year may look like nothing more than the latest chapter in the 3-series coupe book, but there are some radical changes under the skin. The 335i (the C goes away on this coupe as it did on the 650i for the 2006 model year) will have a 3.0-liter twin-turbo inline-six with piezoelectric direct injection. The symmetrical turbos are relatively small and each feed three cylinders. Power output is up only 47 hp over the normally aspirated version of the same 3.0-liter six found in the 330i, but BMW claims that turbo lag is all but avoided and — more importantly — peak torque increases 34 percent and is available from 1500 to 5800 rpm. BMW estimates that the twin-turbo setup gives the 335i's six the power and torque characteristics of a 4.0-liter V-8 with 10 percent less fuel consumption and 145 fewer pounds. BMW expects the 335i to shave more than half a second from the 330i's 0-to-60 time, which should put it in the low-five-second range — scarcely more than the outgoing E46 M3. The 335i is expected to carry a base price of approximately $42,000 when it goes on sale this summer. The 2008 M3 is expected to have a 400-hp naturally aspirated V-8 and cost $10,000 more.

Why, you ask, uld BMW go to all the trouble of making this complex turbo engine when a V-8 uld be a simpler and purer means to the same end? As rldwide petroleum reserves decline and prices go up, efficiency becomes paramount, even for performance and luxury vehicles. As rldwide emissions standards become increasingly strict, high-performance diesels — recently thought to be the next big thing — become less feasible. Mercedes-Benz also recently announced a piezoelectric direct-injection gasoline six which is naturally aspirated — for now. Dr. Thomas Weber, Mercedes-Benz's top engineering and development officer, confirms that turbocharged smaller-displacement engines are in Mercedes-Benz's near-term future as well. Turbos are here to stay.





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Re: BMW & Honda will be using Forced-Induction
Saturday, March 18, 2006 7:42 PM
I would say FI hondas would be kinda lame. The beauty of the VTEC motor is the igh-rev power thats NA and smooth with good MPG and lots of power per liter. Just my .02


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