ok so i havent watched racing in a long time on tv. but i managed to catch nop tonight.
when did gm ecotecs start kicking so much ass?
there were several laying down mid to low 8s.
it said one of the ecos pulled a 8.4 @138 or 139. didtn seem right since there was a fox body that pulled a 8.09 @ like 168.

but i couldnt believe that most of the ecos were dominating. one even beat sheppards dsm. and sheppards car is increadable.


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Go Ecotec!


But really, when you have mucho money , any engine is capable to be fast honestly.


But the Eco is definiately a good motor, and its nice to see it putting down those awesome numbers.

John H [Cavalierkid wrote:]ok so i havent watched racing in a long time on tv. but i managed to catch nop tonight.
when did gm ecotecs start kicking so much ass?
there were several laying down mid to low 8s.
it said one of the ecos pulled a 8.4 @138 or 139. didtn seem right since there was a fox body that pulled a 8.09 @ like 168.

but i couldnt believe that most of the ecos were dominating. one even beat sheppards dsm. and sheppards car is increadable.

where have you been

ecos are into the 7's sheppards dsm gets spanked all the time. gardella

it stated with kubo and hoyos with there cavs and fires, then gardella who was drvining some slow ass civc got bored of losing. so he went with the build book and tuned up an ion. he later switched to a cobalt whic dominated last year and the year before. no one could touch him. he pimp slaped the @!#$ out of any one who steped up. the best part is, that they dont break. so it was almost a consistant win every time.

this year its been mostly jason hunt. appperently he got into a car crsh or someting so hes out for the season. but there is still like 5 other ecos in the points race.


why does the eco own?

build book baby. all you need to do is get in touch with gm and order parts for a 1000 hp plus 4 cyl. coulndt be easir.

long live the ECO


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welcome to 2001

ecotec has been cleaning house since its debut on the circuit

factory based support such as the ecko unltd. cobalt and the atp sunfire have been mopping the floor with all opponents.

even other factory supported teams are practically a full second behind in these classes, so I don't think its a money issue its just a better job done by the teams and a better tuned and modified powerplant.

I think the ecotec is going to be outlawed from competition pretty soon.

Werd, and that'll be a sad, sad day.

Kill a competitor because it's too dominant? Get the rest to step it the F*CK UP! I thought Mazda etc had put factory support to it's program, and Scion as well???

Anyhow, am I on crazy crackers or did the 1000HP ecos use a stock bottom end?







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GM has been kicking ass and taking no names in several years

after the GM drag cars starting running record times , the import guys started crying like little babbies , so they got hit with having to add more weight to the cars , and that put the eco's over 200mph , and in the 7's

and the block and head are production parts , with mild modifactions

and the top eco's are closer to 1400-1500 hp

i know anything can be fast with enough money, but it seems like the eco is becoming more of a choice.
i was just shocked.. car after car were ecos.. and were winnning too.
like by a decent amount


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GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Werd, and that'll be a sad, sad day.

Kill a competitor because it's too dominant? Get the rest to step it the F*CK UP! I thought Mazda etc had put factory support to it's program, and Scion as well???

Anyhow, am I on crazy crackers or did the 1000HP ecos use a stock bottom end?

wouldn't be the first time they ban cars form racing. When I went to school for Audi first day we watched this video about audi's racing history. Quattro > everything they ended up baning audis quatro system from quite a few forms of racing as weight penelties had no affect. They were untouchable. Same thing with the M3 GTR, they whopped everyones ass and porsche cried about it because they couldn't compete, rather then steping up they got the M3 banned because its production engine and production body didn't come on the same car. So they started the M3 GTR Statesenversion or some @!#$ liek that but it still wouldn't allow it. Those are just 2 examples off the top of my head, not 100% positive thas how it all went down but IIRC thats how it happened.

and yes your on crazzy crackers. The bottom end is surprisingly weak, pistons don't have shallow ring lands that liek to snap off and rods are powdered metal.


here read and learn

http://www.year2032.com/ecotec.htm

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The import owners say the ecotec always wins because of GM support and their funding. But what about the garrett sunfire a couple years ago. It dominated, broke records, ect. And it was not factory supported.

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The import owners say the ecotec always wins because of GM support and their funding. But what about the garrett sunfire a couple years ago. It dominated, broke records, ect. And it was not factory supported.

even cars that dont have factory support, have factory support. all the eco enginges out there are based off of gms engine. and all you have to do is call them up and they go so far as to give you part numbers. its not even funny how easy it is to build up an eco these days


"boobs now with Riboflabin"

the garrett team , doesnt have GM support

but the car is a former GM drag car and drivetrain , it is as far as i know still run by the team that originally ran the GM drag team


but the car is a black sheep

I do not think they will ban the Ecotec, because there is too many of them. Seems a lot of the Import people have switched over to the Ecotec. If it was only 1-2 teams I could see it, but not as many as there is.



FU Tuning

What's really funny is reading the 2006 NHRA Sport Compact Rulebook and updates. All the Ecotec specific rules are incredible. All the other cars are getting closer, Ecotec didn't win in Pro FWD or Modified this year. Just Hot Rod with Ron Lummis.

Hot Rod class:
Page 49 (eff 11/30/05)
Turbocharger: Second paragraph, first sentence, beginning with Ecotec engine limited to maximum 66mm turbo, change 67.25mm (2.648 inches) to 67.37mm (2.652 inches). (Ecotec limit is 66mm while everyone else gets 67.37mm. Doesn't seem like much, but it is.)

Weight Limits for Hot Rod class (there's more but I won't list them all):
Motor......................1 power adder w/ OEM trans.....................................2 power adder w/ OEM trans
-GM Ecotec Series......................2200................................................................................2400
-Mitsu 4G63........................1900................................................................................2100
-Honda B16 Series.....................1800................................................................................2000
-Honda B18 Series......................1900................................................................................2100
-Moper 2.4 Series (SRT)......................1900................................................................................2100
Just look at the difference in minimum weights LOL.

Modified class (which is a RWD class but the Ecotec is allowed in):
Page 55 (eff 11/30/05)
Turbocharger: First heading under Turbocharger, change All Applications to Six-cylinder and Ecotec applications. Relates to inlet flange size not being allowed to be larger than "T04 specs" in any direction.)
AND
Page 55 (eff 11/30/05)
Turbocharger: Second paragraph, first sentence, beginning withSix cylinder and Ecotec, single-turbo applications; change 67.25mm (2.648 inches) to 67.37mm (2.652 inches). (Ecotec limited to 66mm BTW.)
AND
Page 56 (eff 07/31/06)
Turbocharger: Replace 52 mm turbo with 54 mm turbo in the first sentence in the third paragraph. (They are allowing all 6 cylinder twin turbo cars BIGGER turbos)
AND
Weight Limits for Modified class:
-RWD 4 cylinder, up to 2.4L, 1 or 2 P/A: 2000
-RWD 4 cylinder, up to 2.4L, ECOTEC motor, 1 or 2 P/A: 2400
-RWD 4 cylinder, up to 2.6L, 1 or 2 P/A: 2200
-RWD 4 cylinder, up to 2.6L, ECOTEC motor, 1 or 2 P/A: 2600
-AWD 4 cylinder, up to 2.8L, 1 or 2 P/A: 2000
-RWD 2 Rotor, 1 or 2 P/A: 2000
-RWD or AWD 6 cylinder, up to 3.5L, 1 P/A ONLY, 2800
Look at the weight differences again.

Weight Limits for Pro FWD class:
-FWD 4 cylinder, Ecotec, 1 P/A: 2050
-FWD 4 cylinder, all others, 1 P/A: 1750
-FWD 4 cylinder, Ecotec, 2 P/A: 2150
-FWD 4 cylinder, all others, 2 P/A: 1850


How's that for a little light reading. There are already changes being discussed for 2007 but I think it's almost level. Although if Jason hunt hadn't had his motorcyle accident, he's doing better BTW just hurting a bit still, he would have run away again.




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10K PB: 54:26

Almost makes me regret having the LD9...almost

Good job to the Ecotec boys out there. I always like flipping through NOPI bull@!#$ and watching the JDM's getting spanked by a Cobalt...it makes me giggle

on NOPI tv for norwalk did you see any of the car show cars or was it just racing

John H [Cavalierkid wrote:]ok so i havent watched racing in a long time on tv. but i managed to catch nop tonight.
when did gm ecotecs start kicking so much ass?
there were several laying down mid to low 8s.
it said one of the ecos pulled a 8.4 @138 or 139. didtn seem right since there was a fox body that pulled a 8.09 @ like 168.

but i couldnt believe that most of the ecos were dominating. one even beat sheppards dsm. and sheppards car is increadable.

ecotecs have been kicking ass for years. It is a great powerplant and GM saw this as a chance to get into the import world. However, Gm's money and engineering are a large reason why these cars are so successful. Largest automaker in the world versus individuals with some sponserships a few years ago. Now they've gotten a nice blueprint to success down so making a fast eco in these classes has gotten relativeley* easy. But none of this would have been here if GM didn't see the oppurtunity and push that initial success. However, as already stated the eco is a great motor and you obviously couldn't make it fast w/ a billion dollars if it sucked from day one, which it does not obv.

Ecos have pretty much always been as fast or faster then sheps car, sheps car is amazing because of what it is compared to the ecos, an actual car. (individual w/ no big money sponsership driving a 15 yearold stock STEEL chassis HEAVY talon down the track w/ AWD and shifting a MANUAL transmission stock block 4 banger into 7.72 1/4 mile time @ 188 mph.) it'd be like the home mechanic making his wife's monte carlo run nascar for $40,000 versus the big money's tubechassis light ass "monte carlo fiberglass shells that spend that much money in one air tunnel session and on top of that BEAT them their fair share of times .

The quad 4 was another Gm 4 banger that also dominated during its time in some series. I doubt they would outright "ban" them.

Team Vision Racing (aka hypsy) wrote:What's really funny is reading the 2006 NHRA Sport Compact Rulebook and updates. All the Ecotec specific rules are incredible. All the other cars are getting closer, Ecotec didn't win in Pro FWD or Modified this year. Just Hot Rod with Ron Lummis.

Hot Rod class:
Page 49 (eff 11/30/05)
Turbocharger: Second paragraph, first sentence, beginning with Ecotec engine limited to maximum 66mm turbo, change 67.25mm (2.648 inches) to 67.37mm (2.652 inches). (Ecotec limit is 66mm while everyone else gets 67.37mm. Doesn't seem like much, but it is.)

Weight Limits for Hot Rod class (there's more but I won't list them all):
Motor......................1 power adder w/ OEM trans.....................................2 power adder w/ OEM trans
-GM Ecotec Series......................2200................................................................................2400
-Mitsu 4G63........................1900................................................................................2100
-Honda B16 Series.....................1800................................................................................2000
-Honda B18 Series......................1900................................................................................2100
-Moper 2.4 Series (SRT)......................1900................................................................................2100
Just look at the difference in minimum weights LOL.

Modified class (which is a RWD class but the Ecotec is allowed in):
Page 55 (eff 11/30/05)
Turbocharger: First heading under Turbocharger, change All Applications to Six-cylinder and Ecotec applications. Relates to inlet flange size not being allowed to be larger than "T04 specs" in any direction.)
AND
Page 55 (eff 11/30/05)
Turbocharger: Second paragraph, first sentence, beginning withSix cylinder and Ecotec, single-turbo applications; change 67.25mm (2.648 inches) to 67.37mm (2.652 inches). (Ecotec limited to 66mm BTW.)
AND
Page 56 (eff 07/31/06)
Turbocharger: Replace 52 mm turbo with 54 mm turbo in the first sentence in the third paragraph. (They are allowing all 6 cylinder twin turbo cars BIGGER turbos)
AND
Weight Limits for Modified class:
-RWD 4 cylinder, up to 2.4L, 1 or 2 P/A: 2000
-RWD 4 cylinder, up to 2.4L, ECOTEC motor, 1 or 2 P/A: 2400
-RWD 4 cylinder, up to 2.6L, 1 or 2 P/A: 2200
-RWD 4 cylinder, up to 2.6L, ECOTEC motor, 1 or 2 P/A: 2600
-AWD 4 cylinder, up to 2.8L, 1 or 2 P/A: 2000
-RWD 2 Rotor, 1 or 2 P/A: 2000
-RWD or AWD 6 cylinder, up to 3.5L, 1 P/A ONLY, 2800
Look at the weight differences again.

Weight Limits for Pro FWD class:
-FWD 4 cylinder, Ecotec, 1 P/A: 2050
-FWD 4 cylinder, all others, 1 P/A: 1750
-FWD 4 cylinder, Ecotec, 2 P/A: 2150
-FWD 4 cylinder, all others, 2 P/A: 1850


How's that for a little light reading. There are already changes being discussed for 2007 but I think it's almost level. Although if Jason hunt hadn't had his motorcyle accident, he's doing better BTW just hurting a bit still, he would have run away again.

Do remember that many times minimum weights don't mean alot for some competitors if you can't physically possibly get down to that weight no matter what.
If a 4g63 car weighs 2400 and the min weight is 1900 and it is impossible to get to that weight, then further lowering the min weight for them means nothing for example. However, as long as they don't bitch about it its not a big deal as its a restriction they put on themselves that was their when they started from day one.

Dude I know all about minimum weights and how hard it is to get down to them. I race an assload in multiple series'.



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Quote:

The quad 4 was another Gm 4 banger that also dominated during its time in some series. I doubt they would outright "ban" them.

like what happened with the hemi? its banned from some comps iirc because its such a good motor.

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Quote:

The quad 4 was another Gm 4 banger that also dominated during its time in some series. I doubt they would outright "ban" them.

like what happened with the hemi? its banned from some comps iirc because its such a good motor.

I have the NHRA rule book and there isn't a class that bans the Hemi. In fact the TF cars use the Mopar Hemi-based motors almost exclusively these days.



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i just was watching, and it looked like mazda took it, buuuuut, this was also runnin 7s, so maybe im watching the worng class

as for the "HEMI" all it is is an uneconomic head modification, although putting out power, a Hemispherical head, isnt going to be enough to ban from the NHRA

I thought the Hemis were banned in the 60's for the same reason.





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navycav3 wrote:i just was watching, and it looked like mazda took it, buuuuut, this was also runnin 7s, so maybe im watching the worng class

Bergonholtz did take the Pro FWD class in his Mazda.



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10K PB: 54:26

have you spoken with hunt???

is he gonna pwn next season


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