Ward’s 10 Best Engines 2007

-Audi AG FSI 2L Turbocharged DOHC I-4
-BMW AG 3L DOHC I-6
-BMW AG 3L Turbocharged DOHC I-6
-DaimlerChrysler AG 3L DOHC V-6 Turbodiesel
-DaimlerChrysler AG Hemi Magnum 5.7L OHV V-8
-Ford Motor Co. Duratec 35 3.5L DOHC V-6
-Ford Motor Co. 4.6L SOHC V-8
-Mazda Motor Corp. DISI 2.3L Turbocharged DOHC I-4
-Nissan Motor Co. Ltd. 3.5L DOHC V-6
-Toyota Motor Corp. 3.5L DOHC V-6




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an engine that randomly breaks timing chains under 50k causing the need for a complete valve job at the least? i would seriously worry about the other engines on that list if the eco made it..

remember just because its the best engine a j ever saw. doesnt mean its a good engines



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Just bare in mind that most of the engines on that list haven't seen 50,000 Miles yet.






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haha... no gm motors

Define "best".

Best performance, reliability, bang per buck, technology, most fuel effecient... a mix.. if so, what are the mix ratios?

Means nothing.


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What?! No LS7?

AGuSTiN wrote:Define "best".

Best performance, reliability, bang per buck, technology, most fuel effecient... a mix.. if so, what are the mix ratios?

Means nothing.

also a good point...



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EXESIVE FIRE now with CTS wrote:an engine that randomly breaks timing chains under 50k causing the need for a complete valve job at the least? i would seriously worry about the other engines on that list if the eco made it..

remember just because its the best engine a j ever saw. doesnt mean its a good engines

Don't forget cylinder liners eaten up as well. TSB is out too.
&
The bold statement is questionable too.
IMO the ONLY "Ecotec" that deserves recognition is the LNF 2.0L Turbo.




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AGuSTiN wrote:Define "best".

Best performance, reliability, bang per buck, technology, most fuel effecient... a mix.. if so, what are the mix ratios?

Means nothing.

What Ward's says... .

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The 13th year of the Ward's 10 Best Engines competition finds the auto industry and its powertrain sector in acute transition entering 2007.
The U.S. domestic auto industry is undergoing a transformation to align its manufacturing capacity with new market realities. Likewise, consumers are indicating they, too, are shifting their tastes and questioning their vehicular needs in the wake of a protracted period of higher fuel prices.
All of this affects powertrain development, of course, and 2007's 10 Best Engines award winners already reflect a changing environment.
Past 10 Best Engines lists have been dominated by large-displacement engines. Half of this year's winners displace 3L or less, and only two are larger than 3.5L. Four of the 10 winners use forced induction.
In accordance with the average lower displacement of winning engines comes a broad trend toward increased fitment of efficiency-enhancing technology in addition to forced induction, such as direct-injection gasoline (DIG) fueling, cylinder deactivation and more sophisticated variants of variable valve timing.
The landscape of powertrain development may be transforming, but rules governing the competition have not changed.
Nominated engines — 31 this year — must be available in series-production, U.S.-specification vehicles that go on sale no later than the first quarter of 2007.
To ensure the 10 Best Engines winners reflect mainstream sensibilities and relevance to the broad industry, eligible engines must be available in vehicles with a base price of no more than $54,000. Ward's believes engines in more expensive and exotic vehicles should, by nature, be superior examples of powertrain engineering.
This year's price ceiling reflects a slight increase over the competition's $52,500 price limit that had been in effect for several years. The amount is indexed to the average price of a new vehicle.
Winning engines from 2006 are automatically nominated for this year's competition unless the engine no longer is available in a vehicle costing less than $54,000.

The head-to-head format generates a list of true winners, with no artificially constructed segments or sub-categories to diminish the results. All nominated engines must compete against all others.
During an approximately 2-month period in fall 2006, a panel of six Ward's editors evaluated each engine using a variety of objective and subjective measures. There is no instrumented testing. Editors evaluate each engine during their daily driving routines.
There is a variety of engine layouts, sizes and power ranges represented by 2007's 10 Best Engines winners.
Heavily influencing judges' voting are an engine's fuel economy; noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) attributes; technical innovation; and power and performance — particularly specific output, or the power generated in relation to the engine's size.

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I can't believe that 3 of those are part of Ford.. man whats wrong with this picture.


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No reason the hemi should win.



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Didn't the LSJ get #3 with Car and Driver or Road n Track?

Ryan (1REDRY) wrote:I can't believe that 3 of those are part of Ford.. man whats wrong with this picture.

your narrow mindedness is whats wrong with this picture.....
i was kind of suprised there wasnt an LSx on the list but after reading what they based it on, it made some sense

GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Just bare in mind that most of the engines on that list haven't seen 50,000 Miles yet.

most? maybe a couple but thats it

8 vs. 2... That's most of them






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more like 2 vs 8

GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Just bare in mind that most of the engines on that list will not see pass 50,000 Miles

Corrected.
:::cough::German::cough::engine::cough::breaking::cough::down:::

Ryan (1REDRY) wrote:I can't believe that 3 of those are part of Ford.. man whats wrong with this picture.

I am seing two that are Ford.
-Ford Motor Co. Duratec 35 3.5L DOHC V-6
-Ford Motor Co. 4.6L SOHC V-8

Mazda's is Mazda based and not Ford's.



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Maybe he meant owned by Ford?

I did mean owned by ford. sheesh you all knew what I ment


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well the duratec is deffinently an amazing engine, ive seen some duratecs from 2000-2004 that ran real well and hard namely the Ford Contour weither its the SVT or not the still ran amazing and I wish i woulda kept mine.

EXESIVE FIRE now with CTS wrote:an engine that randomly breaks timing chains under 50k causing the need for a complete valve job at the least? i would seriously worry about the other engines on that list if the eco made it..

remember just because its the best engine a j ever saw. doesnt mean its a good engines

is there a recall for this?
whats your opinion based on?
personal experience I take it?

I've never heard of timing chain problems with ecos other than one thread posted here in the 4 years or so I've been here.

just because yours was a peice of @!#$ doesn't mean they all are

DaFlyinSkwirl (PJ) - BPU++ wrote:

EXESIVE FIRE now with CTS wrote:an engine that randomly breaks timing chains under 50k causing the need for a complete valve job at the least? i would seriously worry about the other engines on that list if the eco made it..

remember just because its the best engine a j ever saw. doesnt mean its a good engines

is there a recall for this?
whats your opinion based on?
personal experience I take it?

I've never heard of timing chain problems with ecos other than one thread posted here in the 4 years or so I've been here.

just because yours was a peice of @!#$ doesn't mean they all are

mr good wrench has a werid vendetta with the motors. I think hes just irrateted at the cult following the have on hear and how there worsipped. above what they should be.

Ive talked to alot of unbiased mechs and they all have there own issues with the motor. I dont fully understand what the deal is, there great from everything ive ever incounted they hold power, they do what I ask, and if theres other problems, I havent seen them yet.


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DaFlyinSkwirl (PJ) - BPU++ wrote:

EXESIVE FIRE now with CTS wrote:an engine that randomly breaks timing chains under 50k causing the need for a complete valve job at the least? i would seriously worry about the other engines on that list if the eco made it..

remember just because its the best engine a j ever saw. doesnt mean its a good engines

is there a recall for this?
whats your opinion based on?
personal experience I take it?

I've never heard of timing chain problems with ecos other than one thread posted here in the 4 years or so I've been here.

just because yours was a peice of @!#$ doesn't mean they all are

Just because you have only seen one issue on the JBO, does not mean the problem does not exist. I've seen it when I was working for at Mercedes on a rental 2003 Cavalier and on one 2002 Cavalier at the dealership when I went to get my re-flash for the S/C.
Remember, there are only 30K-40K members here maybe 500-1000 that are active. Ecotecs are run of the mill motors that are installed on Saturn, Pontiac, Opel, Chevrolet, Vauxhall, etc. Since 1999 all the way till today, there may be over 2 million Ecotecs on this Earth. And those 2 million are not going to be posting on JBO when a chain fails, so the logic of: "if it is not posted on JBO, it does not exist," does not hold water.

By the way if you want to read on how the cylinder liners issue here it is. Also there some other issues as well.
http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=11&i=100583&t=100583#100583
And the days of me finding more TSBs are over, so now I don't have the latest info on TSBs





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Jcavi wrote:

DaFlyinSkwirl (PJ) - BPU++ wrote:

EXESIVE FIRE now with CTS wrote:an engine that randomly breaks timing chains under 50k causing the need for a complete valve job at the least? i would seriously worry about the other engines on that list if the eco made it..

remember just because its the best engine a j ever saw. doesnt mean its a good engines

is there a recall for this?
whats your opinion based on?
personal experience I take it?

I've never heard of timing chain problems with ecos other than one thread posted here in the 4 years or so I've been here.

just because yours was a peice of @!#$ doesn't mean they all are

mr good wrench has a werid vendetta with the motors. I think hes just irrateted at the cult following the have on hear and how there worsipped. above what they should be.

Ive talked to alot of unbiased mechs and they all have there own issues with the motor. I dont fully understand what the deal is, there great from everything ive ever incounted they hold power, they do what I ask, and if theres other problems, I havent seen them yet.

learn to read screen names
i see no goodwrench in there

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an engine that randomly breaks timing chains under 50k causing the need for a complete valve job at the least? i would seriously worry about the other engines on that list if the eco made it..

remember just because its the best engine a j ever saw. doesnt mean its a good engines

I wonder if GM is having the same oil sludging problems like we (Dodge) are having with the 2.7L V-6s, and Toyota's having with the 1.8L 4cyls. The sludge starves the chains of oil and they overheat and snap.





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