i find it very intresting..............indeed.........the titan seemed to keep up in alot of the tests.
i wonder the specs on all the vehicles..
cause
the 2007 titan got a 18 hp and 17 ft lb gain this year due to different exhaust and intake manifold and bigger t/b
or what about the vortex max? which engine was used in the silverad......4.8, 5.3, 6.0
i know the new tundras are quick but not that quick.
i know a couple months ago myesly and brandoson took our trucks to the track and his 2007 vortex max was runnin 14.9-15.0
and my titan was runnin 15.0-15.4 stock
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thats a lot of good questions
it doesnt say what engines are in each truck, the options, etc.
i am not, however, surprised at how well the Tundra performs
well the dodge didnt have a hemi in it. .. they were probale all base model trucks with a tricked out tundra.
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most likely a 5.7Triton & a 6.0magnum, and a 4.8 in the Chevy.... Not to fair of a comparision unless you get to see specs.
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AMCI-Certified testing, comparably equipped 4WD vehicles with optional larger V8s, 4-door cabs and 6' beds, Automotive News Full-Sized Pickup segmentation.
Taken right from Toyota.com. Either way if that was Toyotas smallest engine that was a pathetic loss to the others. If it was Toyotas biggest engine that was equally pathetic. I'm sure they did not put the 5.7L Tundra against V6 models of the other trucks. And what does it matter if the Dodge had a Hemi or not...what's a Hemi? It's been proven time and time again that the V8 Titan will hand a Hemi Ram it's ass. Hemi is dodgespeak for overhyped.
Toyota got sick of being the joke of the full size market. They went carzy with the over kill and built an awesome truck. why is it everyone has to doubt and hate? this just changes the game now. I promise Chevy and Ford won't take this sitting down...this is their bread & butter market.
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Ok, which of those trucks sounded like a freakin sports car? Seriously?!?!
Ok, I ran all the stats on the closest equipped and engined versions of all of them I could find....
Truck HP ft/lbs curb-weight
Tundra 381 401 5100lbs
Silverado 353 373 5308
Titan 317 385 5262
F150 300 365 5281
Ram 345 375 5429
The new engine in the Tundra is quite impressive... however looking at these number makes me question the test.
The top 3 all have 6 speed autos, and the chevy and the nissan are within 50lbs of each other... I don't think the 46lb and 12 ft/lb advantage of the titan is going to make up for the 36 hp disadvantage.
Also, the ram should smoke the f150 with a 45hp and 10 ft/lb advantage, even if the ford wieghs like 138 less...
Interestingly, the Ram is the cheapest, followed by the Chevy. Best bang for the buck? Go GM! LOL. Heh we could put the turbo-deisels in the competition and make it more interesting =)
My conclusion? They specificly rigged the models slightly to show the consumer exactly what toyota wanted them to see, even if its not very far from the truth.
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Maybe Im just pissed, pissed that my freinds are spineless, What else would you
call abandoment some night, when you're in a fight, and they could make things right?
Spineless. I miss some of my old friends, the ones who you could count on,
bet a huge amount on, the fact that they'd always have your back... Its like a kick in
the sack, just knowing, you've got nothing to fall back on. @!#$ this, Im done.
Oh and one more thing. The toyota wieghs the least, and packs the most gas motor power... that will of course give it the edge straight performance tests like this... but there is more then just stats to make a truck.
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Maybe Im just pissed, pissed that my freinds are spineless, What else would you
call abandoment some night, when you're in a fight, and they could make things right?
Spineless. I miss some of my old friends, the ones who you could count on,
bet a huge amount on, the fact that they'd always have your back... Its like a kick in
the sack, just knowing, you've got nothing to fall back on. @!#$ this, Im done.
compare hp in top engines of all classes...
Ford F150 5.4L: - 300hp@5000 rpm / 365 lb ft@3750rpm
Chevy Silverado 1500 6.0L Vortec MAX: 367 hp@5500 rpm / 375lb ft@4300rpm
Dodge Ram 1500 5.7L Hemi: - 345hp@5400rpm / 375lb ft@4200rpm
Toyota Tundra 5.7L:- 381hp@5600rpm / 401lb ft@3600rpm
Nissan Titan 5.6L: - 317hp@5200rpm / 385 lb-ft@3400rpm
Highest HP and TQ from a gasoline engine goes to toyota. Chevy is a close 2nd...and even still, differences are minor. How comfortable and useful the truck is when not at the jobsite will decide sales...but I don't see anyone knocking chevy/ford off the top of the hill....dodge might fall off cuz of HORRID fuel economy compared to ford/chevy. My dads 4x4 5.3L gets 17mpg....get that in a dodge truck in ANY condition lol. Hell my dads 2wd 5.3L got 14mpg haulin a trailer through west virginias mountains...get THAT out of a dodge....empty :p let alone loaded
i must say, the new tundras with the 5.7 haul ass. ( i work for a toyota dealer). Very impressive truck all the way around.
"Custom cars, custom problems."-me
My dad has an 04 Tundra with the 4.7l V8 and that thing is a beast, it's built solid and its so @!#$ comfortable and roomy inside... it's amazing
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Ace140 wrote:
The new engine in the Tundra is quite impressive... however looking at these number makes me question the test.
The top 3 all have 6 speed autos, and the chevy and the nissan are within 50lbs of each other... I don't think the 46lb and 12 ft/lb advantage of the titan is going to make up for the 36 hp disadvantage.
I don't think the 1500 series Silverado or sierra comes with a 6 speed auto. I have yet to see one, at the dealership I work at and I do predelivery inspections. I know for sure the 2500 and 3500 HD come with them, in 6.0 or 6.6 diesel. I'm waiting for the GMC Seirra Denali, coming out with the 6.2 V8 403hp and 417 lbs-ft.
Also if that is a silverado with a Vortec Max it's missing the big read badge on the side.
I have seen the new tundra run a 14.3 at the track w/ less than 300 miles on it.
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Unfortunately Toyota couldn't do anything about the ugliness of the truck in the redesign. The front end looks retarded. The grille and the headlights just don't go together. It looks hastily thrown together.
It is also the most expensive of the bunch. A base 5.7L CrewMax 4x4 costs $35k, yet you can get a base crew cab Titan XE 4x4 for $25k. Is the extra getup-and-go really worth $10k? It wouldn't be to me.
It also does not have a heavy duty version and/or diesel engine. So it can beat all the other gasoline engines in its class. But if you are consistently towing 9000lbs, you aren't going to be looking at a half ton.
Tundra 5.7L 381hp@5600rpm / 401lb ft@3600rpm
GM 6.6L 365hp@3000rpm / 660lb ft@1600rpm
Dodge 6.7L 350 hp@3013 rpm / 610lb ft@1400 rpm
Ford 6.0L 325 hp@3300 rpm / 570lb ft@2000 rpm
Game over, GM FTW.
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The truck doing the low 14 sec passes was stripped down. Guy said it only cost him $25k.
GM needs a 6 speed in its light duty trucks.
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QBE (The Boosted One) wrote:My dad has an 04 Tundra with the 4.7l V8 and that thing is a beast, it's built solid and its so @!#$ comfortable and roomy inside... it's amazing
You should go look at a new one...night and day difference. The old ones i always thought were great....but the new model blows it out of the water.
And Dave your comparing 6.7 and 6.6 liters to a 5.7 Lets even the field here and see what we got.
Either way the new tundra= very nice truck.
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Drew K wrote:QBE (The Boosted One) wrote:My dad has an 04 Tundra with the 4.7l V8 and that thing is a beast, it's built solid and its so @!#$ comfortable and roomy inside... it's amazing
And Dave your comparing 6.7 and 6.6 liters to a 5.7 Lets even the field here and see what we got.
He's comparing the top motor offered for every manufacturer.
Drew K wrote:QBE (The Boosted One) wrote:My dad has an 04 Tundra with the 4.7l V8 and that thing is a beast, it's built solid and its so @!#$ comfortable and roomy inside... it's amazing
You should go look at a new one...night and day difference. The old ones i always thought were great....but the new model blows it out of the water.
And Dave your comparing 6.7 and 6.6 liters to a 5.7 Lets even the field here and see what we got.
Either way the new tundra= very nice truck.
WOW EXPENSIVE!!!!!
damn like the cheapest truck with the 5.7 4x4 and trd off road is 37k
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There has been a lot of talk about Toyota Tundra's new ads and how
impressive they are. Here are some myths about their spots that I
have found and that should be refuted. Also, they are offering a
"IVC" type program on Tundra to help with sales.
I would guess all of you have seen the ad where the Tundra pulls a
trailer up a steep grade (a 'see-saw'), and then barrels down hill and
locks the brakes up just before the end of the ramp. Many of you have
commented on how well done the spot is visually. However, here are
the actual facts to share with people:
1. The V.O. at the beginning of the spot says...."It's tough
pushing 10,000 lbs up a steep grade". Myth: Toyota would like the
audience to believe the trailer is 10,000 lbs. Fact: It's a 5,000 lb
truck pulling a 5,000 lb trailer. A little slight of hand? You bet.
2. Then, on the way down the grade, the camera zooms in on the
brakes as the vehicles comes to a screeching halt just prior to the
end of ramp. Next time you see the ad....look for the 'mice type'.
It indicates the trailer is equipped with electric brakes.
Fact....the electric brakes stop the trailer -- not the truck. A
little slight of hand? You bet.
3. And why does Toyota have bigger brake pads? They need
them....their truck is heavier. Stopping distance between our truck
and theirs is virtually identical. And why does Toyota have a 6 speed
transmission? To improve their fuel economy....which is still 2 mpg
less than ours.
4. And don't forget....their big V8 has one axle ratio -- a
4.3. Suck fuel much? Our trucks offer several axle options to
optimize towing and fuel economy. Bottom line: OUR TRUCK IS BETTER!
Spread the word.......we can all make a difference.
and a few side by side test shows gm superiorirty
motortrend head to head
car and driver comparison
tundra incentives top GMs
I'm not really a pickup guy put I personally like the looks of last years silverado. The new Sierra looks good though.
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1. The V.O. at the beginning of the spot says...."It's tough
pushing 10,000 lbs up a steep grade". Myth: Toyota would like the
audience to believe the trailer is 10,000 lbs. Fact: It's a 5,000 lb
truck pulling a 5,000 lb trailer. A little slight of hand? You bet..
I'd like to see the GM truck pull an actual 10,000 LB. trailer up the same incline.
I'd also like to see the same truck come to a stop with same 10,000lb. trailer without trailer brakes.
Simply put, It can't. I doubt any Civilian personal Pick-up Truck can tow 10,000 up a steep incline like it was nothing...unless it was badged "HD"...but then it's not just a regular civilian truck it's a "work" truck.
And it may do the actual 5,000lb. trailer no problem, Silverados are awesome like that....but I'd like to see the Silverado stop on the decline without trailer brakes. Which leads to.....
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2. Then, on the way down the grade, the camera zooms in on the
brakes as the vehicles comes to a screeching halt just prior to the
end of ramp. Next time you see the ad....look for the 'mice type'.
It indicates the trailer is equipped with electric brakes.
Fact....the electric brakes stop the trailer -- not the truck. A
little slight of hand? You bet.
You need trailer brakes at a certain point. I know campers and 5th wheels have them. So that was a completely stupid point to pick out. No truck is going to stop a haevy trailer down hill with out trailer brakes. This was the first red flag that this was written by a GM nutswinger.
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3. And why does Toyota have bigger brake pads? They need
them....their truck is heavier. Stopping distance between our truck
and theirs is virtually identical. And why does Toyota have a 6 speed
transmission? To improve their fuel economy....which is still 2 mpg
less than ours.
Same with the bigger brakes and 6-speed points...retarded. Of course a heavier truck would need bigger brakes, hello captain obvious. Its stopping distance is identical so what difference does it make that it's heavier? They still stop exactly the same.
Oh maybe the heavier weight was slam because it effects fuel economy. Um, well not really...like, 2mpg less makes the Silverado better and so much more efficient? 2? friggin two!? Come the @!#$ on.
this whole paragraph was a desperate fanboy pathetically nitpicking the tiniest and most minute details and trying to make them sound earth shattering. According to this writers facts the Silverado is only marginally better or equal to the Tundra
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4. And don't forget....their big V8 has one axle ratio -- a
4.3. Suck fuel much? Our trucks offer several axle options to
optimize towing and fuel economy. Bottom line: OUR TRUCK IS BETTER!
Spread the word.......we can all make a difference.
This wa the ONLY valid point. GM, without a doubt, has a better variety of axles and great power, THAT'S IT.
Bottom line: That's the only thing that makes a GM truck even remotely better than the Tundra.
Other than that the whole thing is GM Truck fanboy nutswinging spin.
And don't get me wrong I love GM trucks...but morons like this writing up a mostly fictional whiney, crybaby manifesto about why the truck they love more is the best makes all the other fans look bad. GM's truck is no pile of junk, but as I said Toyota changed up their game and it was a good play. I won't knock a good truck and the new Tundra is a good truck. Anything else is just an opinion.
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The reviews all favoured the Silverado overall........
I know for a fact that a GMC 2500 HD with a duramax has a place in my heart for all time
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CHip + exasut + intake = WHOAAA
My Cav
I give up...
i'm buying a VW those people love trees, so they should love eachother too... "Andy"
No doubt the HD is the bomb. An amazing truck.
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I compared top GASOLINE engines for that reason....toss in the HD diesel engines, and I just wasn't comparing apples to apples. I get GM discount on silverado so no matter...it will win my signature
like I said, the toyota is a nice truck, but its uglier now then it was before. and it still doesn't have what it takes to even TOUCH GM or Ford in sales...Dodge it may cuz Dodge = t3h suck
The one thing that will hurt toyota is the same thing that hurt nissan with the titan. No HD model. Most of the big 3's sales are to fleet
and as work trucks like Haliburton. There trying to sell the truck to people who need a work truck, but most companies who have work trucks, want HD cause you can beat the hell out of them and there pretty forgiving from what I've seen.
To get back to my point. Let's say down here in south TX, all oil field companies, steel and iron companies, heavy machinery, and water and oil pipline companies. use a combitation of GM, Ford, and Dodge. Hell Haliburton just got a shipment of 30 new Chevy trucks and Suvs in at dealership I work at alone. So there workers are going to be driving these trucks and get used to them, and well when it comes time to buy a truck do you think there going to stray from something there already a customed to? No, they won't.
My dad alone will not by anything other than a Ford SD because he's company truck is one. Granted his truck wan't cheap though $50,000 for a 2004 F350 lariat 4x4 deisel.
Not only that the the availabilty of American trucks and dealerships is another selling point, down here for instance there is 6 gm dealerships with a 50 mile radius, also 6 dodge and ford, but only 2 nissan, and one toyota. Say you bought a Toyota Tundra and were at job sight here where I something happens to the truck, overheats, sensor malfunction, or some other down sitiation for example, and your only option is a dealership 50 miles or more from where your at, are you going to happy, probaly not cause either cause that is 50 miles out your way.
