uecavboy wrote:
On the first issue you brought up. I don't want to be the minority. And I don't mean i don't want only whites to be the minority. I mean any born american. Think about it. Would it be cool if all of a sudden italians became the minority in Italy?
Mikedirntrulez wrote:
not ONE spoke English to eachother. Alright, people may think "oh, well that's not a big deal". Well try dealing with it every day. I think it's extremely rude and disrespectful. I find it odd that they wouldn't even bother to adapt.
Mikedirntrulez wrote:
I can adapt with any culture. I respect all cultures as long as they can respect me too. I cannot respect a culture that comes here and forces me to learn their language and their culture, complains when they can't get what they want, and they don't even help support the system!
Mikedirntrulez wrote:
And I do understand that not every Mexican is like that, but a majority of them around here are.
Mikedirntrulez wrote:
I'm trying hard to think of a simple example for you to think (i'm not calling you dumb, but just imagine it this way)....
That may be a little too dramatic for what i'm trying to prove... .
Jackalope wrote:So then your all fine with these people streaming in and freely breaking the law? So then I guess we should do away with the boarders all together huh? Whats next all laws? Sorry they are here ILLEGALY which means they do not belong here! I think the rallies however are an awesome idea! Get all the illegals together in one place get Janet Reno to instruct on how to "take them out" and catch them all, send them, and build a wall.
uecavboy wrote:Mexicans working here, is similiar to outsourcing. Those who believe in outsourcing days it's good because the product is made cheaper which makes it cheaper for the american buyer. It's the same as mexicans that work here. On one side it's good because these mexicans aren't unionized and don't need $35 an hour to work on a roof. Because of that, you can get a roof put on for fairly cheap by mexicans.
But lets look at both from another standpoint. If we keep outsourcing jobs and taking them away from americans, it doesn't really matter HOW CHEAP the product is. No1 will have a job and have money to buy it. It's a bit extreme to think about but it does make sense.
uecavboy wrote:
Let us make sure that americans and the youth of america is on the right track before we start helping others. Too often are we the FIRST to jump into a situation and help a country out. We tend to overlook what going on here.
AGuSTiN wrote:uecavboy wrote:
On the first issue you brought up. I don't want to be the minority. And I don't mean i don't want only whites to be the minority. I mean any born american. Think about it. Would it be cool if all of a sudden italians became the minority in Italy?
What? How is that even possible? We'd have to import 250+ million immigrants for that to happen, at once. Think about it, because the kids of the immigrants would be Americans, and part of the "American" majority.
Mikedirntrulez wrote:
not ONE spoke English to eachother. Alright, people may think "oh, well that's not a big deal". Well try dealing with it every day. I think it's extremely rude and disrespectful. I find it odd that they wouldn't even bother to adapt.
Why is it rude and disrespectful? Because you say so? Why do you assume that they are speaking spanish they are not adapting? You have zero evidence other than casual observation because you don't KNOW these people.
As a Mexican-American with literally thousands of relatives and living in a county where whites are already the minority, I can say for a FACT that not ONE Mexican-American I've ever met still wears ranchero outfits and sombreros, doesn't know english, or doesn't pay taxes.
Mikedirntrulez wrote:
I can adapt with any culture. I respect all cultures as long as they can respect me too. I cannot respect a culture that comes here and forces me to learn their language and their culture, complains when they can't get what they want, and they don't even help support the system!
What is sad is that you don't even realize that you're bigoted. You've made all these accusations in the context of being around ten mexican families on public transportation.
They could quite possibly have a ton more economic power than you, but you'd be too blind to notice.
Mikedirntrulez wrote:
And I do understand that not every Mexican is like that, but a majority of them around here are.
In So Cal? You're full of sh!t to the highest degree.
Mikedirntrulez wrote:
I'm trying hard to think of a simple example for you to think (i'm not calling you dumb, but just imagine it this way)....
That may be a little too dramatic for what i'm trying to prove... .
No doubt. You suck at analogies.
Jackalope wrote:So then your all fine with these people streaming in and freely breaking the law? So then I guess we should do away with the boarders all together huh? Whats next all laws? Sorry they are here ILLEGALY which means they do not belong here! I think the rallies however are an awesome idea! Get all the illegals together in one place get Janet Reno to instruct on how to "take them out" and catch them all, send them, and build a wall.
There are Canadians in here posting about how hard it is to work in the US, and yet you ignore these posts and make the same post you already have. Let me lay this out..
1) We need them. Period. Our jobless rate is already at saturation.
2) Our system can' t bring them in fast enough.
3) There are jobs waiting for them, legal or not.
4) Their kids are starving at home.
What is so hard to understand? It's supply and demand, get it? Basic economics. 101, even.
Further, the rallies are stocked, probably a majority, with Mexican-Americans born here. Who probably wouldn't be here if their parents or grandparents didn't sneak over. And I use the term "sneak" lightly, the border has been purposely undermanned for a very long time.
Further, Janet Reno went out with Clinton.
Jackalope wrote:AGuSTiN, So its cool to ignore all the homeless jobless Americans in favor of illegal immigrints? I never said it was eay to get here legaly but whay should those who broke the law to get here be rewarded for their illegal activites? And be given rights OVER legal citizens that already live here? That makes no sence at all !! So go ahead and say I asked this question before but you have yet to answer it so I will contiue to ask.
Why should we allow illegal immigrints here and to work when we have people who are citizens be made to remain homeless and jobless because the illegals should be given a chance? Why should US citizens be cast aside to make way for illegals?
You give me good answers to these questions and I'll stop asking them.
And Yes Janet Reno and Bill Clinton were lovers.
BTW. what you have above are not answers only excusses.
Tristan wrote:And Jackalope, since you again decided to twist my words into some ridiculous justification for your point, let me once again reiterate myself. Have you ever made 2 dollars a day and tried to support say you, a wife, and two kids with that? No? I didn't think so. Have you ever tried to apply to become an American citizen? No? I didn't think so. What about applying to work in the U.S.? No again, huh? My telling you this before and once again is only to show you what is going through the minds of illegal immigrants. They are desperate to help their families. So they risk their life by coming here just so they can keep their children from starving. Is that a justification for breaking the law? I don't know, but I know that if I was in the same situation I would do whatever it takes to feed my family. If that required risking my life to sneak into the US then that's what I would do. I see that sympathy is not your strong point. Let's just kick them dirty Mexican job stealing spanish speaking pieces of trash out of country and build a wall.
AGuSTiN wrote:
Do you realize that we already have ALL the laws in place to fight this problem, just not the funding?
Mikedirntrulez wrote:
I'm not even gonna do this quote by quote.
But let me see here. Let me get this straight. I make a general analogy about a certian culture I see in my hometown. I am labeled biggoted. You make a general analogy about me and all of a sudden you are right?
Mikedirntrulez wrote:
You do not understand what it is like because you probably speak Spanish yourself.
Mikedirntrulez wrote:You have never been in San Bernardino or Fontana and seen the way the general public acts.
Mikedirntrulez wrote:
I don't think it's the actual job loss/gain that annoys me, it's the legality part of it.
Mikedirntrulez wrote:why do you think that all white people are blinded and don't know about the jobless rate?
Mikedirntrulez wrote:
Have you ever been to Skid Row? I'm sure you have! Have you ever been down Melrose? Down Sunset? Hell, even Hollywood & Highland is starting to see it's fair share of homeless people.
Mikedirntrulez wrote:
Why can't we offer jobs to them? Trust me, not every homeless person is too lazy to get a job. I used to know several of them down at my old job. Why can't we help them?
Jackalope wrote:First off how is anything done by Regan back in the 80's effecting anyone now? I'd venture to say that any new homeless were put there when the dot com bubble burst
while Clinton was in office.
Jackalope wrote:
Bush is now finally getting these people into homes. Home ownership is highest its EVEN been! Thank you Bush! Unemployment numbers are the lowest in a long time. Thank you again Bush! Geez you guys just have your panties in a twist because its a Republican doing it. If this was Clinton you'd all be swearing he was indeed the second comeing of Christ.
Jackalope wrote: These people should be removed the way Janet Reno removed Eleon Gonzolis (sp) from the closet in Florida. By gun point if nessacary. How else do police deal with criminals? Well why should this be any different? If they're here legaly I could care less where they are from or what language they speek but they need to be here legaly or kick them out!
They are criminals point blank, end of it, period. Why they are here or their nobel reasons matter not, they are breaking the law and need to be dely with as the law says they should. Thats the truth of the matter.
AGuSTiN wrote:
Really? Are you equally upset with all these employers skirting the hiring laws, too? What forum posts are you involved in at job hiring websites, blasting the illegal immigrants hirers? I want links.
Don't try to take the morality high road with me.
Mikedirntrulez wrote:
What? Dude, you're grasping at straws now.
Mikedirntrulez wrote:
It is ILLEGAL and it always has been and always will be
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but when they are ditching schools to protest
Mikedirntrulez wrote:
Don't you think that if you had cheap labor available in the country, you're going to hire that person who is willing to work less over the people who think they deserve more? It's only obvious. I don't blame them for hiring illegal workers.
Mikedirntrulez wrote:After looking at that picture closer, it proves my point. Look at some of the signs:
"united we wont be defeated".
This illegal immigration problem isn't a personal attack on Mexicans. Yet they like to think it is.
AGuSTiN wrote:I'll make this real simple for all of you on Jackalopes side of the fence...
How are you going to win without crowds like these?...
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-immig26mar26,0,7628611.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Another 30 protests across the country scheduled for today.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/10/immigration/index.html