Greedy Capitalist Pig wrote:Well, the Baucus bill, which is mostly conceptual language, has made it out of the Senate Finance Committee as of about 3:00 this afternoon. A special thank you goes out to my ever-spineless Senator Olympia Snowe, who has repeatedly said she is against most of what's in the bills that have been proposed, but gave the reason for voting to bring it out of the committee as "We need to make progress on this, and move forward". She also added something to the affect of "history is calling, and we can't keep holding back". It infuriates me that we have people who vote for a bill they say they don't support "because we have to do something".
Now the two bills which have come out of committee will be merged, and then it will be brought to the Senate floor. There is still nothing in this bill, even under the conceptual language of the Baucus bill, that will fix the problems with health care.
sndsgood wrote:Greedy Capitalist Pig wrote:Well, the Baucus bill, which is mostly conceptual language, has made it out of the Senate Finance Committee as of about 3:00 this afternoon. A special thank you goes out to my ever-spineless Senator Olympia Snowe, who has repeatedly said she is against most of what's in the bills that have been proposed, but gave the reason for voting to bring it out of the committee as "We need to make progress on this, and move forward". She also added something to the affect of "history is calling, and we can't keep holding back". It infuriates me that we have people who vote for a bill they say they don't support "because we have to do something".
Now the two bills which have come out of committee will be merged, and then it will be brought to the Senate floor. There is still nothing in this bill, even under the conceptual language of the Baucus bill, that will fix the problems with health care.
i could not beleive her reasoning, she said, she didnt agree with it, she's not happy with it, but she wanted to vote for it because when people look back she wanted to say she voted for it basically. not her exact wording but it more or less sounded like she wanted to be part of it just so people would see her as being part of this great event even though she hates the bill and thinks its wrong. kinda like saying, i dont care about the people. i just want my name out there on this.
Short Hand wrote:sndsgood wrote:Greedy Capitalist Pig wrote:Well, the Baucus bill, which is mostly conceptual language, has made it out of the Senate Finance Committee as of about 3:00 this afternoon. A special thank you goes out to my ever-spineless Senator Olympia Snowe, who has repeatedly said she is against most of what's in the bills that have been proposed, but gave the reason for voting to bring it out of the committee as "We need to make progress on this, and move forward". She also added something to the affect of "history is calling, and we can't keep holding back". It infuriates me that we have people who vote for a bill they say they don't support "because we have to do something".
Now the two bills which have come out of committee will be merged, and then it will be brought to the Senate floor. There is still nothing in this bill, even under the conceptual language of the Baucus bill, that will fix the problems with health care.
i could not beleive her reasoning, she said, she didnt agree with it, she's not happy with it, but she wanted to vote for it because when people look back she wanted to say she voted for it basically. not her exact wording but it more or less sounded like she wanted to be part of it just so people would see her as being part of this great event even though she hates the bill and thinks its wrong. kinda like saying, i dont care about the people. i just want my name out there on this.
Shame, but it is the complete opposite. THIS bill IS for the people. Giving care to those who need it is indeed FOR the people. /facepalm
Short Hand wrote:Shame, but it is the complete opposite. THIS bill IS for the people. Giving care to those who need it is indeed FOR the people. /facepalmNo, it is not for the people, it's more government expansion. The bill will cause the cost of insurance to increase even more, and the taxes they are discussing will cause even higher layoff rates, and/or insurance benefits being dropped by many employers, forcing more and more people on the government plan. Stop believing that they have actually constructed this bill because they believe it's going to do everything they say it will, and open your eyes to the actual facts of what they are doing, not the rhetoric.
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At about 2:15 EST, Organizing for America (OFA) surpassed it's goal of 100,000 phone calls to Congress.
The nationwide "Time to Deliver on Health Reform" event is the most massive outpouring of support from Obama supporters since Election Day 2008.
To generate these numbers, OFA organized over 1,000 phonebank events across all 50 states. Yesterday, OFA said its phonebanks would make hundreds of thousands of calls to voters in order to generate 100,000 calls from constituents to Congress.
After the election, Obama for America (OFA) became Organizing for America (OFA), an issue-oriented advocacy arm of the DNC whose primary purpose is...cultivating public support for Obama's agenda.
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Several aides said the callers seemed less informed about the issue than typical advocates
ScottaWhite wrote:And each phone bank only generated around 100 calls each?This makes you wonder how much support there actually is out there, doesn't it? I mean, if each phone bank called people all day and only managed to get 100 people to call Congress to support the bill, and the people in Washington who recieved those calls said that the callers seemed to be less informed, it doesn't say much for their movement. Apparently they could only get people who didn't understand what they were talking about to call.
Greedy Capitalist Pig wrote:Rich, if this bill becomes law, as soon as you change jobs you will be forced to choose from one of the government approved plans through the insurance exchange (this is what's on page 16 that I mentioned at the beginning of this thread), and there is a very good chance that your new employer would not be offering the benefit. This is because part of the way they want to pay for the public option is to tax the private plans offered through employers. In other words, the insurance your current employer offers you now will get taxed. This tax will be levied on both you and your employer. There is a good chance your employer may stop offering the benefit as well, which would then force you to get an approved plan anyway. Part of the whole process of pushing people to the public option is to make it more expensive for employers and employees to use the private insurance.