Ummm, Jefferson's second term?
Filmore?
naaa there's likely dirt there too.. Welcome to the power game of politics.
PAX
My point...
It's boring me how the democratic bombasts and the libreal blohards are really just using the same arguments against each other, when they fail to realize that democrat/republican/libreal/considervative doesn't matter, they all suck like Elizabeth Berkley's acting.
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HEY!!!! Jesse Spano was the isht!!!
Okay.. after showgirls she pretty much torpedoed her career.
Anyhow... Conservative/Republican... different sides to the same coin.
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
mr. goodwrench...you really have no clue what you are talking about...or who you are even tlaking to.
you are telling me to do some research on information? you are kidding right? dude just because you read some conspiracy theory websites doesn't mean you are enlightened it means you are just being more brain washed!!
Pretjah wrote:mr. goodwrench...you really have no clue what you are talking about...or who you are even tlaking to.
you are telling me to do some research on information? you are kidding right? dude just because you read some conspiracy theory websites doesn't mean you are enlightened it means you are just being more brain washed!!
To instantly believe or disbelieve anything immediately after reading it(or perhaps without reading it) without having any real evidence behind your assumption, especially if it is partially because what was said doesn't agree with what you already believe - is being brainwashed.
You need to be careful before you use that label.
I'm not gonna say if there was/wasn't a conspiracy here - because despite what I think may or may not have happened, no matter what may be my best educated guess - I don't truly know
FOR FACT. Don't dilute yourself into thinking you do either.
Don't assume any government is guilty, but don't assume they're innocent either. If you do so you're just being a naive brainwashed sheep. Wait for the evidence to present itself, and be
OPEN(I can see you have a problem with this) to it as it comes, even if it's not what you want to hear. Obviously you can't just hear of a possible conspiracy and start believing it, but at the same time you (logically) must not automatically dismiss it, even if it comes from a "Liberal Source" etc(or if it comes from a "Conservative Source" - for those more left leaning). Just stay open(doesn't mean you believe it) to it and always stay patient and alert for the facts to reveal themselves.
I'm not saying the British(or any other) government had anything to do with this, and I'm not saying they did not. But I'm saying that it is something that should be looked into.
Tony Blair saying that an investigation into a terrorist attack is INAPPROPRIATE?!
Just that alone is fishy or just plain stupid. Sounds to me at least like either he's hiding something, or he's the biggest idiot ever to take office in Great Britain. I dunno.(btw the demands to investigatye this NOW are being made mostly from conservatives - probably because the longer it takes to launch a formal investigation, the more evidence that can be "lost")
But just a little Piece of WW2 history for you. It may have taken about 50 years after the war, but it has become public knowledge that we knew Japan was gonna attack, yet did nothing stop it. FDR(liberal btw) knew how important it was for us to get involved in that war(AND HE WAS RIGHT). He knew what was at stake, and he wanted to get us involved, but Americans didn't see what was happening in the rest of the world as our problem(see pre-9/11 America vs post-9/11 America), and Americans had a bad taste for war in their mouth from WW1. There was NO popular support in America for any kind of war effort at all. So we let Japan attack us, so the citizens could get a swift kick of reality, and in their outrage over being attacked, we went to war(with complete support for the war effort - which their should have been in the first place).
Now that may seem shady - and it was - but that is what's called a necessary evil. The ends did justify the means. If they had not allowed Japan a (successful) attack on us, we'd all probably be speaking fluent German right now. Without this attack, America would never have entered the war (in time), and when/if we did(before German had only us to conquer), there would not have been the same support for the war effort(it might have closer resembled the Vietnam era support - considering the anti-war attitude in America at the time). That of course would also have affected the end result of the war - in a bad way. Oh, have no doubt that our government did this(look it up if you like), and be damm glad they did. Of course who would have guessed it before it came out? Anybody who would have suggested such a thing would have quickly been branded a lunatic conspiracy theorist. But they would have been one other thing - correct...
I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?
I vote than pret is brainwashed, and Mr. Goodwrench knows what he's talking about.
Go Jesus!
nick...please put your tinfoil hat back on.
the lemmys are getting you
actually lets try something.
nick, mr goodwrench list all the DIRTY things BUSH has done
and you point is? what does that have to do with bush(heck or even blair) being dirty?
Pretjah wrote:nick...please put your tinfoil hat back on.
the lemmys are getting you
See I told you we were alot alike, We both beleive the other is not living in reality.
Pretjah wrote:actually lets try something.
nick, mr goodwrench list all the DIRTY things BUSH has done
?? It would take months to compile that data..
but for starters is lieing to us, he is essentially murdering us, oh and he is stealing from us. There are dozens of things he has done under each of those 3 branches, and thats just the begenning. But that debate is for the Impeachment commitee not for the London Bombing thread on Jbody.
Not to mention his environmental stance..
It doesnt matter what we say, you religious cooks are not worth even talking to.
lolol wow what an intellegent stance....and i'm a COOK? lol you are so funny
lying to us? i guess you mean WMD? or are there more things going on that we don't know about?
murdering us? Bush is murdering us? WOWOWOWOW that's some statement.
stealing from us? WHAT THE FREAK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
thank you for making my point for me about you tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theory based morons
nick i think you don't understand my point.
it's one thing to have a belief that the conspiracy theories are true.
however....
taking one conspiracy theory(that is more than likely not true btw) and using it as evidence to support another conspiracy theory.....is a MAJOR PROBLEM and what most conspiracy theorists...like you and mr. goodwrench do.
and on a side note...i probably disagree with bush more than i agree with him.
Pretjah wrote:and on a side note...i probably disagree with bush more than i agree with him.
Mark this day on your calenders boys and girls Pretjah is denouncing his Bush brainwashing. Does that mean your not going to kiss Bush's asss anyore?
on a side side note, I think putting pressure on saddam was teh right thing to do, but the problem is that he was abiding by every rule we put down, we told him to let international inspectors back in thinking he wouldnt, and he did, we found missles he shouldnt have and we told him to destroy them and he did, everytime we came up with an ultimatum he agreed, the facts are coming out that the bush administration falsified several documents and meetings / press conferences for the push to invade.
Now If what they said was going on then we would all agree with the war, but since it was fabricated we are not just in being there, sorry, should we stay or should we go, well we cant really just leave at this point...
The situation sucks, and we have a war monger for a president. He and chainey have and still are making millions from the war, and the proof is publicly available.
I think the public will have to wake up on its own, the administration has the media in their grip, What does it take?
i've done no form of bush butt kissing and have on numerous occasions posted my disagreement with Bush and his policies on varying issues. however i'm not about to label him evil or dirty as a president. ESPECIALLY in comparison with most of the other presidents we've had.
The laundry hasn't come out of the wash juuuust yet.
We're only just finding out how corrupt some of the previous presidents were, and many are forgetting how bent others were.
Transeat In Exemplum: Let this stand as the example.
Ya, ^^
AND I thought Blaire said a "public inquirey" would be innappropriate, not that an investigation (which is ongoing) would be.
They are investigating to the best of their ability, but there is no need for direct government involvement unless it can be shown that their intelligence or policing bodies were neglagent.
I heard the police and Scottland Yard searched 5 houses this morning but made no arrests. The recent arrest must have happened after that newscast. So there ya go, they are taking action.
PAX
Sorry pret, i have to disagree with you since you made the comment, "I find Bush's real-man essence refreshing" or something like that.
I wouldn't say your naso-anal interface is well-lubbed, but let's face it, you've come off as very pro-bush. Not that it's a bad thing--at least you stand by what you believe in.
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actually i will stand by that comment. i firmly believe that what you see with Bush is what you get.
i don't believe he has the ability to weasel like past presidents. and is normally very forth coming.
and out side of crazy conspiracy theories there is nothing to support the contrary
and i should add that of all the possible alternatives i'd MUCH rather have bush in office right now than any of the democratic Canidates...possibly lieberman if he wasn't such an economic socialist even worse than Bush is appearing to be!!!
however kerry, dean, edwards were all very very scary compared to bush.
imagine higher taxes, no gun rights, high insurance premiums,
and STILL HAVING THE Patriot act and the war on terrorism
I'd like to see other parties rather than just democrats and republicans out there...after all, we're pidgeonholing our politics to fir a opposite-side-of-the-coin ideal.
In fact, i would like to ask this--why is it only the democratic and republican nominee invited to the televised debates? I think since we have about 10 parties i see in the voter's pamphlet--they should all be there.
i further think it would move towards "i think he/she's the best for the job" rather than "lesser fo two evils."
But people tend to vote for what's important to them first and foremost--being someone that is more often on the target end of "freedom of speech" and "freedom of religion", i'd rather have had Kerry--buit not by a big margin--i thought they were both scraping the bottom of the presidential barrel.
Although, personally, i think we take politics a bit too seriously here. Talking a lot to my g/f, in Slovakia, their politicians are ripped on harder than Triumpth the dog ripped on Star Wars Fanboys--to their face on national TV (i've seen the TV shows).
We need that over here.
Goodbye Callisto & Skaši, Hello Ishara:
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The only thing every single person from every single walk of life on earth can truly say
they have in common is that their country is run by a bunch of fargin iceholes.
wow i didnt know my thread has gotten this big!
i havnt even joined in with the discussions!!
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