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passing gas should be illegal also
Robby002 wrote:I heard on the news that second hand smoke is worst than first hand smoke.
Smoking causes long cancer and its addictive just like any other drug.
Smoking should be illegal and we should not be allowed.
stereo systems can make you deaf also, but yet you have one in your car.
i dont wanna sound like an ass, but your statement is one of the dumbest ive ever heard. if you dont like smoking, dont smoke. if you do smoke, who;'s business is it to say you shouldnt be allowed to?
and dont say because those who dont have to deal with it also, because the same could be said for your stereo, your exhaust, uncut lawn at your house, not having a haircut, wearing flip-flops with socks, etc etc.
just because you dont like it dosent mean there should be a law against it. if that were the case, i want a law against reality tv shows.
but i will say i totally agree with the smoking around kids, and the blatant disregard for others when people smoke in public. im a smoker, but i will make every effort to not smoke around non-smokers, because if i didnt smoke, i prolly wouldnt like it either.
just my $0.02
ps - tanning causes cancer as well. i dont see there being a law against that
-Stereo systems do not make you deaf. Listening to your stereo system too loud might cause hearing problems. Driving with the stereo too loud in the city of Knoxville, TN and other parts in the country is illegal.
-The law is against smoking in public places because second hand smoke causes more health problems than first hand smoke. And My exhaust? I do not have a loud aftermarket exhaust
Anyway, all I said was that if smoking causes problems to smokers and none-smoker, why not get rid of smoking or why not make it illegal to smoke tobacco? My statement might sound like a dumbass S.O.B but to me as a "none-smoker" is what I believe. It may not solve the problem, in fact, it might create other problems but the smoking problem should be solved.
My statement was probably offensive and I do apologize, but this is what makes America so great about having freedom of speech!! Call me ignorant, dumb or whatever but we are allowed to say whatever we want to say. This doesn't mean that I'm going to talk about not smoking in front of people in a restaurant or anything. We may not agree about different topics and call each other names; its all good! I'm not going to get my head cut off, murder my families or anything.
-If the government wants to do a study about tanning beds causing cancer the law will be against it.
Peace!
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Robby002 wrote:-Stereo systems do not make you deaf. Listening to your stereo system too loud might cause hearing problems. Driving with the stereo too loud in the city of Knoxville, TN and other parts in the country is illegal.
-The law is against smoking in public places because second hand smoke causes more health problems than first hand smoke. And My exhaust? I do not have a loud aftermarket exhaust Anyway, all I said was that if smoking causes problems to smokers and none-smoker, why not get rid of smoking or why not make it illegal to smoke tobacco? My statement might sound like a dumbass S.O.B but to me as a "none-smoker" is what I believe. It may not solve the problem, in fact, it might create other problems but the smoking problem should be solved.
My statement was probably offensive and I do apologize, but this is what makes America so great about having freedom of speech!! Call me ignorant, dumb or whatever but we are allowed to say whatever we want to say. This doesn't mean that I'm going to talk about not smoking in front of people in a restaurant or anything. We may not agree about different topics and call each other names; its all good! I'm not going to get my head cut off, murder my families or anything.
-If the government wants to do a study about tanning beds causing cancer the law will be against it.
Peace!
1. it doesn't matter if your exhaust is loud or not. it still puts out noxious fumes and harmful chemicals regardless.
2. who are you to decide to take my rights away? you say that America is so great about having freedom of speech. what about my freedom to smoke? smokers have the right to choose to smoke, and non-smokers have the right to choose to not be around smokers. bar and club owners have the right to run their bar how they see fit and should have the right to make it a smoking or non-smoking facility as they fit. they pay enough to keep it running, it should be up to them.
I'm not trying to be a dick, but come on. I spend my hard earned money on my smokes. I vote, pay taxes, and served my country for 8 years. I cannot believe the selfishness and how self-centered people have become. if they are so worried about their health, they'd all walk to work with gas masks on.
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I've come to the conclusion that by enforcing more and more laws, freedoms will slowly deminish, because where there is laws being broken, there is more money being made. The more laws, the more money. Capitalism, what a novel concept.
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I love the "it's addictive just like any other drug" statement.
Any chemical compound that has an affect on you mind is a drug.
ASA is a drug, not addictive.
Sugar is a drug, not very addictive.
Caffine is a drug, mildly addictive.
Those echanasia cough drops that everyone loves, drug.
How about, no doubt, Milk? Oh yes, full full of drugs.
First thing first, understand that drugs are in everything, and 99% of them are not bad. Your front lawn is full full of halucinagens, so let's not go too crazy trying to ban stuff, it's impossible.
Smoking is very addictive, more so than Heroin, so take it easy on the smokers, most started when they were too young and stupid to know better and now they have an addiction that is harder to beat than the worst of the "recreational" drugs.
As far as the toxic environment creeated.. There is still way more crap coming out of your tailpipe in 1/2 hour than a smaoker would produce with cigarettes in their lifetime. How many CFM do you think a smoker produces? 2 or 3 maybe? I have yet to see a car engine yet that is under 200cfm. The concentrations may be a bit lower but cars more than make up for that with volume.
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Robby002 wrote:-Stereo systems do not make you deaf. Listening to your stereo system too loud might cause hearing problems. Driving with the stereo too loud in the city of Knoxville, TN and other parts in the country is illegal.
-The law is against smoking in public places because second hand smoke causes more health problems than first hand smoke. And My exhaust? I do not have a loud aftermarket exhaust Anyway, all I said was that if smoking causes problems to smokers and none-smoker, why not get rid of smoking or why not make it illegal to smoke tobacco? My statement might sound like a dumbass S.O.B but to me as a "none-smoker" is what I believe. It may not solve the problem, in fact, it might create other problems but the smoking problem should be solved.
My statement was probably offensive and I do apologize, but this is what makes America so great about having freedom of speech!! Call me ignorant, dumb or whatever but we are allowed to say whatever we want to say. This doesn't mean that I'm going to talk about not smoking in front of people in a restaurant or anything. We may not agree about different topics and call each other names; its all good! I'm not going to get my head cut off, murder my families or anything.
-If the government wants to do a study about tanning beds causing cancer the law will be against it.
Peace!
Yeah and its my right to smoke in line at a concert or a conession stand. But i dont, because its rude. Just like its rude for you to run your mouth about smoking because you dont do it.
Well, honestly. The constitution states you have the right to free speach. I must of missed the part where it said the right to smoke tobbacco.
Just giving you a hard time. I see it this way though. His free speach isn't affecting your health. Your smoking is. Him not smoking is not hurting your health. Like I said before. Do it in designated areas. In your own car (without kids in it), in your own house, in the smoke shack outside. There is a time and a place for everything. I'm not crackin open a 6'er during PT. If you do it and it doesn't cause other's to suck ash with you, go ahead. Job security for me when I get out in a year or so.
Caffiene is actually fairly addictive. Along with sugar. That's why people can't stop drinking soda and live on the "energy rollercoaster" their entire lives. Ever heard of someone not being able to wake up til they get their cup of coffee. That is what we like to call in the medical field Chemical Dependancy.
I do not have any hallucinagens in my lawn what so ever. You break down blue grass how ever you want chemically, you won't find any hallucinagens in it.
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i'm a smoker and i live in ny. that automatically means that i am not allowed to smoke in any public buildings. do i care? no. i walk outside and smoke, normally 10-20 feet from the door. is it inconvenient for me when it's winter in ny and i'm standing in the snow? or when it's raining out and i'm trying to keep my cig from getting soaked while i smoke it? yes, it is. have i thrown a big hissy fit over it? no.
i go to carshows, and i smoke. i don't lean my head in other peoples' vehicles and exhale, because that would be rude. i really don't tend to smoke when i'm even near a car at a show. do i smoke in a circle of my friends who are prodominantly non-smokers? yes. they know i smoke, never tell me it bothers them, and i always blow my smoke away from the circle.
all this 'smoking should be banned' crap is just that. it's crap. granted i realize that smoking isn't the best thing for me to do with my spare time, or the best way for me to relieve stress, it's what works for me. i can't set up my drum set at work and start playing it when i get frustrated with the car i'm working on, nor can i go hit a punching bag, but i can step outside for a cig to calm me down and help me collect my thoughts. i don't smoke because i feel that it looks cool, or it makes me an adult or any of that (btw, i'm almost 22) i do it because a friend of mine smoked when we drank, so i tried it and started smoking when i drank too. now i just do it all the time. do i want to quit? yes. have i successfully yet? no. will i keep trying? yes.
i can agree with smoking outside. smoke lingers in a building and gets into basically everything. i will never smoke in my house/apt. i only smoke outside or in my car with an open window and i never have kids under 8 or under 10 in my car with me so that's not an issue. i don't tell people how to live their lives and i don't feel that i should be told how to live mine. if we can't have things that we can kill ourselves with than we should obviously get rid of every single man-made product because if it's been created we can probably stab, cut, strangle, choke on, shoot, or some how kill ourselves with it. we should also get rid of rocks, vines and trees lest we bludgeon ourselves or make a noose.
seriously people-if you don't smoke, good for you. until you have been a smoker and realize that most of us really do go out of our way to try and keep you as far away from it as possible, get off our backs. if you're really that concerned about your health and well being than don't ever leave your house. there are too many dangers in the world that can jeopardize your well-being for you to expose yourself to them.
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besides, i only smoke because i do want to kill myself, i'm just afraid of the committment.
I think what most people forget about their rights is that they can't infringe on the rights of another.
Everyone has the right to good health. You smoking near them, no matter how "harmless" the second-hand smoke is infringing on their rights. Because you are the party causing harm, you have to stop. Simple as that.
It's like owning a gun. Nothing wrong with that. But you can't go around shooting it off in public because it infringes on the rights of others, specifically their right safety.
Now, on a lesser scale, smoking is the same thing. If somebody has to breathe in your second hand smoke, you're infringing on their right not to. Since their right to not smoke doesn't pose you any health concerns, you should have to put your cig out.
Now, as an ex-smoker (haven't touched a smoke in 3 years) I completely understand the point of view of those who smoke. I understand you think it's your right, but it really isn't. The next time you light up next to someone who doesn't want you to, realize that, by your logic, they should be allowed to punch you in the face if they don't like it. You wouldn't take that, would you? Why should someone have to deal with your smoking?
I do agree, however, that business owners should be allowed to choose whether their establishments should be smoking or non-smoking, and patrons should abide by their rules. It's not as big of an issue if they know the consequences of going into said establishment beforehand.
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Now, as an ex-smoker (haven't touched a smoke in 3 years) I completely understand the point of view of those who smoke. I understand you think it's your right, but it really isn't. The next time you light up next to someone who doesn't want you to, realize that, by your logic, they should be allowed to punch you in the face if they don't like it. You wouldn't take that, would you? Why should someone have to deal with your smoking?
Except for the fact that its legal to smoke in public..most places...and its not legal to just haul off and punch someone.
As i said, although its not a right to smoke per say, its not illegal yet. Im good about where i smoke. i dont wanna upset people or make them uncomfortable if they dont smoke. But at the same time, if someone preaches to me about it, im gunna make sure to smoke closer to them with the next one i light up.
Sugar (or glucose more formally) in moderate amounts is not addictive, the fact that you have high amounts of Fructose and other highly processed sweeteners is what addicts you, or rather, your body begins to expect a certain amount of it, and suffers withdrawal symptoms after it is removed. You can live without a TON of sugar, you can't live without it at all.
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degenerated wrote:I think what most people forget about their rights is that they can't infringe on the rights of another.
Everyone has the right to good health. You smoking near them, no matter how "harmless" the second-hand smoke is infringing on their rights. Because you are the party causing harm, you have to stop. Simple as that.
Now, on a lesser scale, smoking is the same thing. If somebody has to breathe in your second hand smoke, you're infringing on their right not to. Since their right to not smoke doesn't pose you any health concerns, you should have to put your cig out.
So following this logic, farting in a public place should be illegal too. They contain toxins, stink, and infringe on my rights.
Should farting in public be illegal too? Should there be a line 25 feet away from the front door of Taco Bell that you must cross before breaking wind?
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drys95z24 wrote:smoking should be illegal everywhere. I understand that you have rights and all that but doesnt the government have a duty of care here? It is their responsibility to protect the public not only from others but from themselves. Just because you are stupid enough to want to kill yourself does not mean that you should be allowed to.
No no no no no... While the government does have the responsibility to protect you from others(and as such - protect others from you), IT DOES NOT have the responsibility(nor any business trying) to protect me from myself. I will never smoke, but I have no intention (or right) to tell you or anyone else what to do or not do with their bodies. Sure I may recommend that people should not smoke, but that is the end of my involvement in
their choices.
drys95z24 wrote:I think I should take a trip to a bar that allows smoking and sit down right next to a smoker, I'm going to start huffing gasoline while I sit there. Who gives a crap if they don't like it or I'm killing myself I'm not hurting them am I?.
I think you should. And no I don't give a crap if you are hurting yourself so long as you are hurting no one else. Although I think that gas tends to be a bit of a fire hazard, so why don't you bring a permanent marker or something instead?
John Wilken wrote:Should farting in public be illegal too? Should there be a line 25 feet away from the front door of Taco Bell that you must cross before breaking wind?
Yes there should be
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GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Sugar (or glucose more formally) in moderate amounts is not addictive, the fact that you have high amounts of Fructose and other highly processed sweeteners is what addicts you, or rather, your body begins to expect a certain amount of it, and suffers withdrawal symptoms after it is removed. You can live without a TON of sugar, you can't live without it at all.
Thank you, GAM, for elaborating.
I was sticking to my KISS outlook. Yes, your body cannot function without glucose. Fructose and other highly processed sweeteners are not the glucose your body needs to process. You get glucose from just about everything you eat, to include steak, veggies, and bread (among many others). WIthout glucose, the cells in your body would have no "fuel" to function and you would die.
Thank you again, my little WikiCanadian.
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drys95z24 wrote:http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci-smoking28jun28,1,5911250.story?coll=la-headlines-nation
A step in the right direction at least.
So why aren't there laws regarding obesity? Stuffing your face with food until you're waaay overweight is a choice, just like smoking. Being obese causes heart disease, cancer, diabetes, skin conditions, makes it hard to breathe and other health problems. And it's been proven that parents who are obese teach their kids poor eating habits, which follow them through life.
Where are the laws regulating height/weight ratio? Where are the "twinkie taxes" to pay for treatment of obesity-related health problems (and sports staduims)?
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About the front lawn. There are 2500 different Salvia strains all halucinegenic in one way or another, many found in flower beds around the world.
The front lawn.. Well almost all grasses (Harding grass especially) contain some amount of DMT. Harding grass (sometimes called canary grass) grows wild almost everywhere. Crab grass, quack grass, all the "tall" grasses have some amount of DMT a very powerful drug, however it is in small quantaties and difficult to extract. Most trees have drug content of some kind, especially fruit trees. All poppies have alchaloids not just the annuals (which they sell in garden stores here anyway). In fact, if it's green, chances are it has drug content, some more than others of course.
My point was you cannot go around banning thingsbecause they have drug content. You'd end up banning everything including gardens and lawns. Even the ants living in the lawn
Have any "sweet flag" or "yellow flag" around your pond? The real name is calamus and the roots are full of anphetamines.
Any household cactus? Chances are there's alchaloids in there. I could keep going if you like. Look up "ethnobotanicals" some time.. Mind boggling really.
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So following this logic, farting in a public place should be illegal too. They contain toxins, stink, and infringe on my rights.
But they're not killing you or me, regardless of how much you feel like you're choking
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I'm not saying that you shouldn't be allowed to smoke. It's your body, do whatever the hell you want to it. I'm just saying that nobody else should be subjected to your habit, mainly because it has adverse health effects associated with it.
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Except for the fact that its legal to smoke in public..most places...and its not legal to just haul off and punch someone.
True. Because punching someone in the face can cause some, er, unpleasantness. If you want to smoke in your car, in your house, or on your property--by all means. But, I shouldn't have to walk out of a building in the winter and gag on smoke, just like I shouldn't have to walk out of a building and be punched in the face.
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So following this logic, farting in a public place should be illegal too. They contain toxins, stink, and infringe on my rights.
But they're not killing you or me, regardless of how much you feel like you're choking .
We don't know that, there's never been a study over the health effects of "second-hand farts", how the effect the growth of children, if they cause cancer or male-pattern baldness.
degenerated wrote:I'm not saying that you shouldn't be allowed to smoke. It's your body, do whatever the hell you want to it. I'm just saying that nobody else should be subjected to your habit, mainly because it has adverse health effects associated with it.
I agree. In the OP Robby002 said smoking should be illegal, even in my own private refridgerator box.
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Except for the fact that its legal to smoke in public..most places...and its not legal to just haul off and punch someone.
True. Because punching someone in the face can cause some, er, unpleasantness. If you want to smoke in your car, in your house, or on your property--by all means. But, I shouldn't have to walk out of a building in the winter and gag on smoke, just like I shouldn't have to walk out of a building and be punched in the face.
I don't want to walk out of Taco Bell and be gag on someone's fart either. Does anyone know the long-term effects of methane exposure?
Sarcasm aside, eventually there will be no more smokers. It's such a social taboo that I know people who openly admit extra-marital affairs, drug use and other indiscretions but will whisper quietly if they need to borrow a cig from me and sneak across the street to a back alley to light it.
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We don't know that, there's never been a study over the health effects of "second-hand farts", how the effect the growth of children, if they cause cancer or male-pattern baldness.
Well, I know I never felt as bad after a cigarette as I sometimes do after someone rips a good one.
RaiLS wrote:GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Sugar (or glucose more formally) in moderate amounts is not addictive, the fact that you have high amounts of Fructose and other highly processed sweeteners is what addicts you, or rather, your body begins to expect a certain amount of it, and suffers withdrawal symptoms after it is removed. You can live without a TON of sugar, you can't live without it at all.
Thank you, GAM, for elaborating. I was sticking to my KISS outlook. Yes, your body cannot function without glucose. Fructose and other highly processed sweeteners are not the glucose your body needs to process. You get glucose from just about everything you eat, to include steak, veggies, and bread (among many others). WIthout glucose, the cells in your body would have no "fuel" to function and you would die.
Thank you again, my little WikiCanadian.
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Sometimes giving the full picture helps too. And that's the first time I've been called little (other than bastard... ) in the last 10 years
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What I find funny is when at the bar, there are smoking sections, yet people complain when I light up a smoke.
I mean, I go to the smoking section outside on the patio of the bar to enjoy a smoke with my beer, and people who don't smoke ask me to put it out.
There are other spots outside where you can't smoke, why don't they go there?
Disclaimer: I will probally offend you with what is written in this post.
They do that because I told them to.
Yes, that's right: I told them to hassle you.
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