When did smoking become the scarlet letter exactly? I think it was around 1995 that I saw it happen. Before that smoking was cool and hip. After that people started making faces.... FACES around smokers. Just like babies do when they poo their pants. It'd funny as hell if these weren't supposed to be adults here. Sure, smoking is dumb. It costs money and doesn't even get you high, but so what? Leave people alone. Let them smoke in peace. What's the big deaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallll? If they wanna knock off a few years off their lives LET THEM. It's their body and their right to do whatever they want.
Know what kills me? Guys who say second hand smoke pollutes THEIR lungs when they all live in the city and walk outside where cabs and buses and trucks and cars and trains and boats are just SPEWING exhaust all over the damn place. These are the same people who call themselves enviromentalists but couldn't live out in the country for more than a week before going crazy with boredom and fear.

THEM: "Was that a bear??????"
ME: "Go back to sleep."

I don't smoke because I don't want to. I'm a control freak. I don't like doing anything because I have to. As a teenager I'd go two or three days without eating because I wanted to know that I didn't have to eat. That I did so because I wanted to stay healthy and not because I wasn't strong enough to force my body not to.

The only thing I ask of people who smoke is to STOP BUGGING ME WITH THEIR 'I'M REALLY QUITTING THIS TIME." BULL@!#$. I don't care. Nobody cares. Nobody will ever care. Especially if this is your 945th attempt. Stop telling me and just quit. Or don't quit and stop bitching about how unhealthy you feel. You're starting to buy into what those health nut activists are saying.

We're turning into a culture of nagging little bitches. For God's sake, stop caring about what other people do! Can't you understand that to someone somewhere EVERYTHING is offensive? Driving a car, eating meat, watching porn, being a man, being a woman, being in the Army, being a peace activist, being religious, being an atheist... all these things BUG somebody somewhere. You know what I tell those people? To get a hobby, stay out of my life and go @!#$ themselves! These are the same idiots that used to raise their hands in class and tattle to the teacher about so-and-so doing something against the rules. FOCUS ON YOUR OWN LIFE. Leave mine alone.

"Oh, but Jeremy... smoking invades MY lungs too!"

Everything invades YOUR life. If someone's religious (for example) you have to deal with that if you want to spend time with them. You can't ask them to suddenly stop just for your sake. Same goes for smoking. No one is holding you down and forcing smoke into your lungs. If you don't like it, move to the country and get some fresh air. Stay away from people. You're not the type to play nice with the other children anyway.

Jeremy Knox wrote:What's the big deaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallll? If they wanna knock off a few years off their lives LET THEM. It's their body and their right to do whatever they want.

Thats fine, but they are knocking years of other peoples lives when they smoke two feet away from them. It's MY body and NOT their right to do whatever they want.

Jeremy Knox wrote:Know what kills me? Guys who say second hand smoke pollutes THEIR lungs when they all live in the city and walk outside where cabs and buses and trucks and cars and trains and boats are just SPEWING exhaust all over the damn place. These are the same people who call themselves enviromentalists but couldn't live out in the country for more than a week before going crazy with boredom and fear.

Yeah, great way to group everyone who don't want there health effected by OTHERS choices with a bunch of idiots.

quote=Jeremy Knox]FOCUS ON YOUR OWN LIFE. Leave mine alone.

Exactly, I would like to keep all of MY life.

Jeremy Knox wrote:Everything invades YOUR life. If someone's religious (for example) you have to deal with that if you want to spend time with them. You can't ask them to suddenly stop just for your sake. Same goes for smoking. No one is holding you down and forcing smoke into your lungs. If you don't like it, move to the country and get some fresh air. Stay away from people. You're not the type to play nice with the other children anyway.

Ohh yeah, because it's much more reasonable for me to have to move and stay away from people so they can smoke instead of them waiting a few minutes to go away from me Also, the religion analogy is nonsense, religion has no effect on my health.


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As of right now we can if we want to. If YOU dont like it, then YOU can walk away.

Oh, I agree. Instead of bothering with the bellyaching and whining, I just move away. It's easier, and like I said, I don't care.

My point is, however, that I'm not doing you harm by standing there. You are doing me harm by smoking near me, and therefore, infringing on my rights, and should have to leave. While I should do my best to avoid being in the situation where I inhale smoke, I also shouldn't be subjected to situations where I have to constantly avoid it, especially in public.

In theory, anyway.

In reality, I'm not as whiny.

The only thing that irks me is when people smoke right outside of a door. Would it kill you to move 10 feet away?

But yeah, banning smoking altogether isn't going to solve anything. I view smoking the same way I view sex. Whatever you want to do in your own home or around others who consent is your own business. Just don't go shoving it into my face.

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As of right now we can if we want to. If YOU dont like it, then YOU can walk away.

Oh, I agree. Instead of bothering with the bellyaching and whining, I just move away. It's easier, and like I said, I don't care.

My point is, however, that I'm not doing you harm by standing there. You are doing me harm by smoking near me, and therefore, infringing on my rights, and should have to leave. While I should do my best to avoid being in the situation where I inhale smoke, I also shouldn't be subjected to situations where I have to constantly avoid it, especially in public.

In theory, anyway.

In reality, I'm not as whiny.

The only thing that irks me is when people smoke right outside of a door. Would it kill you to move 10 feet away?

But yeah, banning smoking altogether isn't going to solve anything. I view smoking the same way I view sex. Whatever you want to do in your own home or around others who consent is your own business. Just don't go shoving it into my face.

Ha my girlfriend tells me that all the time

And yes i understand what your saying completely, and i agree for the most part. My point is that, well as much as you guys think smokers are infringing your rights, go to the cops and say "this guy is smoking to close to me and its infringing on my rights" the cop wont come ask me to stop, he'll tell you to walk away from me...




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Well, that depends on where you are. If you're standing right by a door here in Winnipeg, he'll probably ask you to put it out.

But I know what you're saying.

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Jeremy Knox wrote:]Everything invades YOUR life. If someone's religious (for example) you have to deal with that if you want to spend time with them. You can't ask them to suddenly stop just for your sake. Same goes for smoking. No one is holding you down and forcing smoke into your lungs. If you don't like it, move to the country and get some fresh air. Stay away from people. You're not the type to play nice with the other children anyway.

Ohh yeah, because it's much more reasonable for me to have to move and stay away from people so they can smoke instead of them waiting a few minutes to go away from me Also, the religion analogy is nonsense, religion has no effect on my health.

Religious people have just vetoed stem cell research. That line of medecine could cure everything from Paralysis to Cancer to Heart Disease to Aging itself. Religion affects your health.

^^^your mental health.


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Jeremy Knox wrote:Religious people have just vetoed stem cell research. That line of medecine could cure everything from Paralysis to Cancer to Heart Disease to Aging itself. Religion affects your health.

Yep, sure does. Let's have another "witch burning" just for old times sake.

The problem I have with "rights" is that some people will take their point of view and try to impose it on everyone. I smoke, and if I'm in a movie theater or a non-smoking restaurant, I don't smoke. I also don't bitch about it. But some non-smokers who voluntarily enter a smoking establishment whine about it the whole time, or even try to pass laws that tobacco should be illegal. If you've decided not to smoke, hooray for you but don't try take that choice away from everyone.

Same could be said of religious choices. I'm against abortion but I would never support a law to make them illegal. I couldn't live with myself if I killed my unborn child but there are people who can, so who am I to dictate how they live their life? And if science can use deceased babies for research to make our lives better, where's the harm, other than it offends a part of the population?


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^^^most of the people that easily get offended need to be offended.


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Smoking is really no big deal but I see where they are coming from. I also think that their time would be better spent fighting for other issues, this one is just a tiny annoyance. We are a nation of negative Nancys To be honest I don't give a @!#$, hell I want them to make it legal to smoke teh weedzz.


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We may be a nation of nancys, but coming from someone that has a g/f who's another nationality, the thing we are known as is a nation of prudes.

Still, i have to point something out to the non-smokers that complain about smoking in bars because it's a "public place."

Not quite--if it was a "public" place, then it would be owned by the state. All bars i know of are privately owned. As such, it should eb the owner who decided if they are smoking or not, and if you don't like their decision, don't frequent the place.

See, I look at it like this--I hae a nut allergy that is potentially fatal (hence, a health hazard). I'm not going to go into a restaraunt that serves food items with nuts in it--knowing that they do, and complain about them serving nuts, harping on them that no one should eat nuts, and that nuts should be illegal. I either ask them to not serve me nuts (and possibly eliminate the protein cross-contamination), or, if they can't/don't make provisions for people that have nut allergies...I DON'T FREQUENT THAT ESTABISHMENT (Gasp, what a concept!). I'll spend my money on an estabishment that accomodates me.




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-The government is best which governs least.
-The forefathers were not necessarily right.
-Religion breeds self-righteousness.
-Ignoring problems rarely fixes them.
-All men are CREATED equal.
-We DO legislate morality.
-Justice does not exist.
-Rely only on yourself.
-Legalize marihuana.
-Gun control kills!