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Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Tuesday, February 07, 2006 10:17 AM
General Motors executives are trying to determine the drive system of the next Chevrolet Impala.
Specifically, should the next-generation Impala continue as a front-drive sedan? Or should it switch to rear drive to try to capture some of the sales success of the rwd Dodge Charger and Magnum and the Chrysler 300?
How important is that decision? The Impala is GM's best-selling sedan.

Chevy dealers sold 290,259 Impalas in 2004, up from 267,882 the previous year. The tally is remarkable because in the buyer's eye that car was essentially untouched for five model years. Sales slipped to 246,481 last year, but some of that drop was due to changeover for the restyled 2006 model.

GM can't afford to misjudge the public, make the wrong decision and lose, say, 100,000 potential Impala sales.

The Impala is one of several models GM is considering for its new global rwd vehicle architecture. The architecture is being developed by Holden's, GM's Australian subsidiary. The architecture previously was known as Zeta.
Within four or five months, GM will determine which U.S. brands will be tagged for rwd and which rwd model or models those brands will receive. The first car is expected to go on sale in late 2007 or early 2008.

GM says the Chevrolet Camaro concept is at the top of the rwd wish list based on the overwhelmingly favorable reaction at the Detroit and Los Angeles shows. Among the other models being considered is a flagship Buick sedan. Cadillac already markets rwd cars and is not part of the plan.

Rwd and fwd versions of the next-generation Chevrolet Impala have been finalized. All that's left is for GM to decide.
As for the Impala, GM's design studio is prepared for the decision -- both rwd and fwd versions of the next-generation Impala have been finalized. All that remains is the decision.

You might think that with the success of the Chrysler group's rwd cars, GM's decision for the Impala would be simple -- just select rwd, right? Here are four of the issues GM executives must look at:

1. Does size matter? The base 2006 Impala is a spacious sedan with a cavernous trunk and comfortable seating for six. It has a sizable presence on the road -- 200.4 inches from stem to stern.
A sedan based on GM's rwd architecture will offer a large passenger compartment, the result of a very long wheelbase. But short front and rear overhangs are expected to result in a car that is somewhat shorter overall than today's Impala.

2. Does this car have a Hemi? The Chrysler group's rwd 300, Magnum and Charger have done extremely well. A lot of that success is attributed to one word, "Hemi."
The Hemi V-8 accounted for more than 30 percent of Chrysler 300 and Dodge Charger sales in 2005.
Does GM have a Hemi? No. Could it achieve similar success if it placed a slightly lower horsepower Corvette engine under the hood of the Impala? Maybe. It offered a Corvette engine in the rwd 1994-96 Impala SS. That car is an icon.
But if gasoline prices jump beyond $3 a gallon and stick, the likelihood of huge sales is greatly diminished.

3. Rwd vs. fwd, who cares? Do most buyers even know whether they are buying a front-drive or rear-drive car? I don't think so -- unless they live in the Snow Belt and unknowingly switched from fwd to rwd and discovered the consequences.

There have been some Cadillac owners who loved their CTS and STS cars until the first snow fell. They had to adjust their driving style because of the car's rear tires, which were slipping and sliding sideways under winter road conditions.

There was nothing wrong with the cars. It is just the nature of rwd and the cars' all-season or performance tires, issues that also can be found with a BMW or Mercedes-Benz.Solution: Buy a set of snow tires. Cost? About $450.
But is that a reasonable solution for an Impala owner who embraced the car's value but lacks the discretionary income to buy a second set of tires? Then, do you risk losing that buyer next time around to a fwd product?

4. The price is right -- or is it? GM's rwd global platform is being engineered with an awd option. That solves issues related to driving on snow-covered streets. Chrysler's rwd cars offer a very good awd system. But the sticker for that option is about $2,000 or more depending on model.

How many value-conscious Impala buyers would be willing or financially able to tack $2,000 on to the sticker?
Until GM's product planners sort out those issues, rwd for the Impala looks to be bleak now, what do you think?





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Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Tuesday, February 07, 2006 10:28 AM
im gonna answer first just based off the title of the post


" HELL F'N YEAH " they should be rear drive


if GM can do to the current impala in rwd , and be competitive with the 90's model impala/caprice , the law enforcement will be all over them


alot of the officers i know , have always missed their caprices , the crown vics are useless when compaired to the caprice , who the hell wants a crown vic that wont go faster than 120

lol


now to go read then post again later , LOL







Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Tuesday, February 07, 2006 10:34 AM
well i would like to see it rwd
however, its success as a fwd car is what is bothersome
changing it to rwd could lose a lot of the same buyers that were getting it before
it could make it sell more
or it would also have the opposite effect



Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Tuesday, February 07, 2006 10:53 AM
a rwd impala is needed , if GM is concerned about gas milage

the 5.3 DOD , and the 5spd auto , should take care of that , i cant see a rwd loosing any mpg over a fwd , unless your racing it around


people have complained since the day the impala/caprice was kill back in 96 , GM didnt listen then


hopefully they will listen now


law enforcement hates the fwd , and they are prob 40% of all sales


the current impala is nice , but has never been the true impala


gm could also offer a fwd current version , and a new rwd version at the same time , similar to what they did with the malibu switch over , and see how sales goes

id bet the rwd will out sell the fwd , given the same power and similar milage figures






Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Tuesday, February 07, 2006 11:10 AM
I don't think Impala drivers want rwd, Cobalt drivers want it and Camaro drivers.
Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Tuesday, February 07, 2006 12:29 PM
If the Impala is already a best seller, why bother changing it and risk losing its best-seller status?? Leave the Impala alone and give the Camaro & Cobalt SS its rwd that people want.
Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Tuesday, February 07, 2006 12:51 PM
giovanhalen wrote:I don't think Impala drivers want rwd, Cobalt drivers want it and Camaro drivers.


Exactly.

Middle aged men and senior citizens DO NOT want a RWD platform. RWD will only pose a problem for those inexperienced drivers, with 305 HP, and RWD, and no traction control, you are just asking for old people to run over things.

I'm not saying FWD is alot easier, but it is easier to manage in wet conditions.

Maybe they should make it RWD for all the gangsters that will be buying them used in 20 years, but that wouldn't benefit GM, so leave it FWD and leave the RWD platforms to the performance cars and trucks.



Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:26 PM
you cant steer a fwd cars with no traction , you just go with gravity push where ever you were last pointed , and how the road is crowned


rwd you can still steer some what with


cobalt rwd will never happen for a entry level car







Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:47 PM
if the impala became rwd it would become less reliable than it is now and thats why a lot of people i know buy impalas. it would be cool, and true to its roots, but i dont think it will happen. i think gm would lose more sales than they would gain.




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Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:56 PM
Yes, it would be very, very, cool.

However, from a business stand point, I dont see it happening. Had this come out a few years ago to directly compete with the Chryslers RWD line... then maybe.

GM is always late to jump on the bandwagon.






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Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:59 PM
I think if they want to keep increasing power than RWD is the only way to go. With a decent set of tires and a traction control system most drivers should be ok, it can't be that bad there are a ton of RWD trucks out there and people seem to be doing fine with them. If they decide to keep the power more reasonable for a FWD car then I say leave it alone it's sales numbers are good why risk it.



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Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Wednesday, February 08, 2006 9:22 AM
i see alot more crown vics and the merc version out there then i do the current impala's


which is the car that the impala has always been run against


a rear drive impala would take back that market share , plus with a SS model would keeps the sales up , since alot of people wanted more of them back in the 90's , since they only made them in small #'s


with all the SUV sales , it should tell you people want rear drive large vehicles

people buy suvs because they done want the family/hippie/soccer mom van , and they want a larger vehicle










Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:01 AM
Quote:

Do you think Impala should become RWD?

Hell Yeah and add Monte Carlo to that list as well.
Quote:

if the impala became rwd it would become less reliable than it is now and thats why a lot of people i know buy impalas.

How is RWD less reliable than FWD?







Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Wednesday, February 08, 2006 11:09 AM
RWD all the way. With current technology of 4 wheel antilock brakes like the vette and traction control I dont know how it can make a whole lot of difference whether the car is front or rear wheel drive in the snow. Most people I think would much rather have a rear wheel drive car...they are just cooler, and dont have torque steer. that AND you can have rwhp measurements again like they are supposed to be.


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Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Wednesday, February 08, 2006 11:37 AM
it would be nice seeing gm has almost no rwd cars


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Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Wednesday, February 08, 2006 11:56 AM
hell yea the Impala should be RWD. i see people all the time with RWD BMWs and Benzs in the rain and snow and i dont think ive seen one spinning or having any problems. and most of those people are middle aged. so why would people be scared of a RWD nowadays. the technology is better to make it safer and easy to drive in those conditions. its not like back in the day when it snowed you couldnt drive if you had a camaro because it couldnt get any traction




Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Wednesday, February 08, 2006 11:58 AM
I'm thinking GM should have the regular Impalas stay FWD and the SS versions should come in RWD, that way those people not caring about performance should go with the regular impalas (read old fogies) and those wishing for performance can go with the SS. It would be cool if both trim models had an AWD option as well.
Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Wednesday, February 08, 2006 12:13 PM
^ thats an idea seen as the sheet metal would be the same. Another solution would be to leave the Impala FWD but make the Monte Carlo RWD. The Monte Carlo is supposed to be a sportier version of the Impala anyway, and this way GM doesn't risk losing Impala customers.
Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Wednesday, February 08, 2006 12:38 PM
B Malkins wrote:^ thats an idea seen as the sheet metal would be the same. Another solution would be to leave the Impala FWD but make the Monte Carlo RWD. The Monte Carlo is supposed to be a sportier version of the Impala anyway, and this way GM doesn't risk losing Impala customers.


Exactly! Make the monte carlo RWD.

Then get rid of the ugly back side of it and you would have an acceptable car.



Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Wednesday, February 08, 2006 2:17 PM
[quote=97cavie24ls(JDM&00s/c sedans™)]with all the SUV sales , it should tell you people want rear drive large vehicles

no it should tell you that people just want SUVs... most people get an SUV for the room and/or 4x4... no simply because its big and RWD
Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Wednesday, February 08, 2006 4:57 PM
You all have some valid points. Glad this convo is going well.
Carry on..



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Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Wednesday, February 08, 2006 5:01 PM
B Malkins wrote:^ thats an idea seen as the sheet metal would be the same. Another solution would be to leave the Impala FWD but make the Monte Carlo RWD. The Monte Carlo is supposed to be a sportier version of the Impala anyway, and this way GM doesn't risk losing Impala customers.


is exactly what i was thinking


leave the impala FWD if sales are great......make the monte carlo a faster, better handling, and sportier RWD car and i think sales would hop, esp as a cheaper alternative to the camaro.



Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Thursday, February 09, 2006 8:35 AM
Spitfire2332 wrote:[quote=97cavie24ls(JDM&00s/c sedans™)]with all the SUV sales , it should tell you people want rear drive large vehicles


no it should tell you that people just want SUVs... most people get an SUV for the room and/or 4x4... no simply because its big and RWD


no it doesnt


GM took away the impala/caprice in after the 96 model , and replaced it with nothing

then guess what happened , SUV sales went up !!!!!!!!!!


and think about WHY , no other large rwd car to choose from , so SUV sales go UP


only other large US company car is the crown vic and grand marquis , guess what ITS STILL RWD , and you see tons of them on the road , NOT counting the law enforcement cars



and the monte wasnt the performance version of the impala , it was originally the simi-luxo version of the chevelle , and it was a large mid size car

the impala/caprice was always the large full size car , tell the new fwd version came out

also the rear of the current monte is the best part of the car , they ruined the front end


V6 rwd and V8 RWD should be the only options , just like the dodge magnums , 5spd autos in both , and a 6spd manual option for the SS






Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Thursday, February 09, 2006 10:30 AM
The majority of Impala sales are fleet sales aren't they?

The people (cops, cab drivers etc) driving those fleet cars I think prefer RWD.



Re: Do you think Impala should become RWD?
Thursday, February 09, 2006 5:06 PM
The world needs RWD Police Cruisers Nuff Said.





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