Check out this site, for all you that think that the W7's are good stuff, take a look.
clicky clicky.
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Its all clever advertising.
Yes their 10" has more excursion than the 10w7 but once you go to the 12 and 13 it has less. Even so, 10 percent is not a huge deal and probably wouldnt even audible. Xmech doesnt matter at all. It actually works against the 9500 as it requires a much larger mounting depth because of it. The Power handling again isnt that big of a deal. It gains it from having the larger coil. A larger coil means more moving mass and more inductance. More moving mass will mean it needs a much stonger motor to have the same efficiency (it doesnt) and the inductance will cause it to roll off on the top end sooner (not that big of a deal) and it also hurts transient response. So it will have worse transient response and wont be as efficient as the JL
If memory serves me correctly their recommended enclosure size for the 9500 was way too small and it wouldnt sound anywhere near as good as the JL in its recommended enclosure. The larger subs also need much larger enclosures.
The stiff cone is nice for high excursions. But it can also add resonances which could ring at higher frequencies. Not a huge concern for subwoofers. Especially since the higher inductance wont let the 9500 play that high anyway. The W7's cone is perfectly strong though. The advertised gain with the 9500 isnt really going to help you.
Their surround is rubber. JL uses a treated foam surround. The surround is picked for its properties and is part of the design of the speaker. JL's foam surround is treated and isnt just a standard foam. The MTX will probably withstand more abuse though. But while we are at it we might as well mention how the surround goes to the edge of the basket which gives a larger effective radiating surface. The Sd of the speakers isnt listed on MTX's comparison...I wonder why
An alluminum shorting ring will reduce heat more than the copper that JL uses. Basket design also plays a HUGE role in cooling. JLs is pretty good at this. Per haps it doesnt need the alluminum and the heat sink the MTX brags about?
As for the "complex mounting" of the JL it really isnt difficult and doesnt require training like they say. The instructions are very easy to follow and there is even a video on JL's website telling you how to do it. It also gives you a larger Sd which is a very good thing. Its like having a 13" sub in a 12" frame. It lets them use that large surround to handle the Xmax while keping a good Sd.
The only thing it has on the W7 is price and thats because it is NOT a superior subwoofer.
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Travis N wrote:Check out this site, for all you that think that the W7's are good stuff, take a look. clicky clicky.
What do you expect? That's MTX's website. That's like saying a Ford is better then a Chevy because the Ford websited says so.
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And if you really wanted to get into it the W7 uses a cross drilled pole vent that helps keep a constant BL across excursion. As far as I know the 9500 doesnt use anything to keep BL steady and it should have a standard parabolic BL curve.
BL drop across excursion is a result of 90% of intermodulation distortion.
So with that the W7 is immediately going to be a more transparent sub.
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I dunno i heard a 9500 in a car. i didn't really like it, I think my old thunder 4000's sounded better lol.
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Specs are what determine how a speaker will perform.
SPL numbers are completely install dependant and are actually kind of irrelevant. As are how a driver sounds once its been installed. You arent hearing the driver but the entire installation and listening environment.
The only other things that would be nice to see would be a free air frequency response graph, a measure of distortion, and perhaps a Dumax report of the sub to see its BL curve and verify its specs.
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I have a 12 inch 9500 and i like it....it gets decently loud but i was sort of dissapointed on its lows....it doesnt really get that deep bass.....i had two polk momos and they got alot deeper than the 9500.....i dunno i still have to fine tune the amp so maybe that will help.....if i were going to do it over i would have gotten 2 9500 10"s....but it still sounds good
that 9900 series woofer will have a price tag so outrageous that no one will buy it. oh if it ever hits production.
ya i have to agree, that 9900, i dont think it will make it. i herd that MTX made a 27" woofer, or was it bigger, any ways it was mounted on the back of a 2 tone dully truck. insane power handling. at least i think it was MTX, maybe it was JL i cant remember. but yes everyone's points on this topic are correct. but it does all boil down to install, and application, and what the person really desires in there vehicle. so in other words personal preference. so i will admit that i was wrong in posting this topic, and i do however wish to say that the Thunder 8000 sub i got in my trunk right now, in the stores was louder, and imho i think that they are all i need for what i want. but i do however wish that i had one sub that was a SVC and the other was a DVC sub. personal preference.
Travis Nobert
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well, i am a big MTX fan cause i have had great experience with them. bang for buck you cant go wrong....but before you JL audio guys get all worked up, i will say this....MTX's pound hard....BUT.....they dont sound near as good as JL's.
my 8000s hit about as hard as comparable JL's, but the sound quality is no where the same. MTX's subs are designed to hit hard, have lots of excursion and cooling as well as a rigid cone. it makes for a hard hitting sub that is dang hard to blow up or fry.
but, my first subs, a set of kicker comps, sounded better,lol. so, basically, mtx has some downfalls....also, they are made by audiovox...so, what do you want? lol
so, in summary, even if these 9500s hit as hard as the JLs, will they sound as good? I highly doubt it. are they cheaper? yes. see? its all what you want out of life...best quality or bang for buck
and yeah, if the advertisers were smart, they would be comparing their subs to JL and hoping people buy them based on similarities to a tried and true popular product, rather than bashing a very good item. typical corporate blunder.
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I work in car audio we have alredy 4. they cost 6000 they last one orderd the guy said he knew sombody that was getting one and would pay 1000 more to get it first...
9900
22''
198db
500lbs.
putting your sub in your car with a cherry picker... pricelesslbs. in box
^^english please?
and i'm sorry, but the w7 still sounds like @!#$. lmao
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you must have heard someone's W7's in a box built by a moron. Sorry, but IMO your WRONG plain and simple.
derf wrote:Specs are what determine how a speaker will perform.
SPL numbers are completely install dependant and are actually kind of irrelevant. As are how a driver sounds once its been installed. You arent hearing the driver but the entire installation and listening environment.
The only other things that would be nice to see would be a free air frequency response graph, a measure of distortion, and perhaps a Dumax report of the sub to see its BL curve and verify its specs.
I think Jason is one of the the only ones who knows what he's talking about around here.
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James (ROLN19S) (JuicyJ) wrote:you must have heard someone's W7's in a box built by a moron. Sorry, but IMO your WRONG plain and simple.
they have a very distinctive sound and an ugly one at that..and the whooshing sound from their "patented venting" crap just sounds horrible.
and i don't see how you can say i'm wrong about what i think sounds good/bad....guess that's in the book that i haven't read yet, lmao
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PERSONAL PREFERENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! plain and simple.
Travis Nobert
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John wrote:derf wrote:Specs are what determine how a speaker will perform.
SPL numbers are completely install dependant and are actually kind of irrelevant. As are how a driver sounds once its been installed. You arent hearing the driver but the entire installation and listening environment.
The only other things that would be nice to see would be a free air frequency response graph, a measure of distortion, and perhaps a Dumax report of the sub to see its BL curve and verify its specs.
I think Jason is one of the the only ones who knows what he's talking about around here. :
Good for him but that doesn't mean SPL numbers or personal reviews on the sound are worth a damn.
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wysiwyg wrote:
and i'm sorry, but the w7 still sounds like @!#$. lmao
Prime example for what I am saying.
From this one sentance I can conclude at least one of the following.
1. He is biased to the point he cant like the W7
2. He has heard a very poor setup of a W7 and concluded that no matter what it will sound bad
3. His preference of sound is totally different from mine
No matter what it is any review of his wouldnt be worth a damn to me.
And wysiwig dont take it the wrong way. Not saying you dont know what you like or anything. #3 is a strong possibility.
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198 dbs huh? You are now in audio and electronics time out. please tell me thats a typo and you meant 98 db sensitivity. since you guys have 4 of them can you give us the rest of the T/S parameters too.
derf wrote:wysiwyg wrote:
and i'm sorry, but the w7 still sounds like @!#$. lmao
Prime example for what I am saying.
From this one sentance I can conclude at least one of the following.
1. He is biased to the point he cant like the W7
2. He has heard a very poor setup of a W7 and concluded that no matter what it will sound bad
3. His preference of sound is totally different from mine
No matter what it is any review of his wouldnt be worth a damn to me.
And wysiwig dont take it the wrong way. Not saying you dont know what you like or anything. #3 is a strong possibility.
The ones i've heard have been in boxes built to spec, nothing wrong with the installs. Our shop used to sell them and i've put quite a few in, The wooshing sound i just can't get over, to me they are way to hyped for what they are. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
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I am not critisizing your opinion. Just making a point.
Everyone can make their own opinion and I think car audio would be better if they did instead of basing opinions off of opinions which eventually get turned into fact. It creates a whole mess of BS.
But since we are on the topic can you describe the wooshing sound? I have only heard two W7 installs but didnt notice anything peculiar in either. A single 12w7 and a single 10w7. Both rear firing in sedans.
Was it at all volumes or only at high excursion? Ported or Sealed? JL enclosure or other?
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