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How is she more experienced than Obama?

2 years as governor and a 6 years as mayor of an unknown town in Alaska?

How does McCain even know her? He met her ONCE before he nominated her.

2 years (730 days) as a Governor and 6 years (2190 days) as a mayor (reguardless of the size of the town) means your actually running a Goverment,making decisions daily,trying to keep tabs on what's going on in that government and trying to make sure what's going on in your state is in the best intrest of the people that live there.

How does McCain even know her?

By keeping up on what's going on in the world around him,maybe...













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john317(AKA Gary the Old guy) wrote:

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How is she more experienced than Obama?

2 years as governor and a 6 years as mayor of an unknown town in Alaska?

How does McCain even know her? He met her ONCE before he nominated her.

2 years (730 days) as a Governor and 6 years (2190 days) as a mayor (reguardless of the size of the town) means your actually running a Goverment,making decisions daily,trying to keep tabs on what's going on in that government and trying to make sure what's going on in your state is in the best intrest of the people that live there.

How does McCain even know her?

By keeping up on what's going on in the world around him,maybe...

No, no I don't think thats it. I think his advisors told him exactly what to do.

As for your math, groovy, still doesn't answer my question.

Jay T wrote:
Maybe you might wanna recheck your facts..... ANWR is part of the solution not the ONLY solution. Also ANWR (or any other place) could be producing oil within 5-7yrs or less and already has a pipeline in the works for natural gas. Now the immediate effect on the oil markets if we opened up drilling on off shore and ANWR would be significant. Oil, natural gas, clean coal and nuclear power is and only power option for the immediate future. Nuclear power plants, new refineries and more drilling would increase the jobs in America and help in the long term. Alternatives fuels, solar, wind etc etc will take a long time to get anything major online and the cost and development is still being worked on.

America is ready for a drill here drill now policy. With something like 75% of Americans wanting drilling and our Congress NOT doing what the people want of this country just add's to the problems. If the elected low life scum in the house and on the hill would actually do something for America and its people they would actually might get liked. It is time for a change on the hill and house and I see that with McCain and Palin now in the mix, it will surely be a good thing. Now I dont like some of the stupid things McCain has brought up like an Amnesty bill, global warming and such but Over all he is on the right track and with Palin now with him, it's a very very good thing.

I wont even begin as to why I dearly hope BO does not get into the white house!

575% of Americans(that's a probably a conservative figure) don't check their facts. And the oil available from the ANWR + offshore drilling will not make a significant impact on the market. Its an election year issue that untimely does not matter. It is NOT something that will affect your prices at the pump ever. Perhaps you don't know but there are plenty of places the oil companies could drill NOW but aren't doing so. McCain(former POW) is just taking a position that helps in in the poles over an actual solution.

john317(AKA Gary the Old guy) wrote:

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How is she more experienced than Obama?

2 years as governor and a 6 years as mayor of an unknown town in Alaska?

How does McCain even know her? He met her ONCE before he nominated her.

2 years (730 days) as a Governor and 6 years (2190 days) as a mayor (reguardless of the size of the town) means your actually running a Goverment,making decisions daily,trying to keep tabs on what's going on in that government and trying to make sure what's going on in your state is in the best intrest of the people that live there.

How does McCain even know her?

By keeping up on what's going on in the world around him,maybe...

Do you actually beloieve what you are saying? Substitute Palin with Obama in all those ideas and see if that still rings true to you...




I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?

shes @!#$ hot but i still wouldnt vote for McCain



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The whole omfg it will take FOREVER to get oil from ANWR is BS.

Your telling me we can plan on landing on the moon in 10 years but can not get oil from the ground and into the market. Give me a break.

Perhaps you don't know but there are plenty of places the oil companies could drill NOW but aren't doing so

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That however is true.

I will put Palin's 6 years as a mayor and two years as a VERY successful governor of AK atleast on par with Obama's career as a state senator and in the US senate.

SunfireN2o( theAnGrYCnSrvTve) wrote:The whole omfg it will take FOREVER to get oil from ANWR is BS.

You know I got that info directly from the DOE website - not such bull@!#$. You need to develop the area to take proper advantage of it. You can't make it happen in 2 weeks. And even if you could, the amount of oil there and what it could produce daily after being fully developed is still pretty insignificant compared to world demand. In a world where gas jumps 50 cents every time Israel and Hamas exchange missile fire, do you really think you'll even notice the very, very small change in oil prices?

This is simply an election year issue for Republicans - because it is popular. They know most Americans won't notice that they aren't doing anything meaningful just so long as they are doing something at all. Just when did McCain(former POW) call for this BEFORE he was running for office? Never - he was AGAINST IT. It polled well and so he ran with it. Don't believe me - let McCain(former POW) tell you HIMSELF -

John McCain(former POW) wrote:I believe that ANWR is one on the pristine places on the world, and I have opposed it. I also believe that the amount of energy that could be recovered from that area is not that impact-full.

And at that time I agreed with him 100% on this. However, the guy who accused Obama of being more "willing to loose a war than an election"(also patently false BTW), this is funny but not hardly his only nor his biggest flip-flop of political convenience.




I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?

And if you liked those videos, you'll love these ones -


No slander here - just McCain speaking.



I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?

Bastardking3000 wrote:

SunfireN2o( theAnGrYCnSrvTve) wrote:The whole omfg it will take FOREVER to get oil from ANWR is BS.

You know I got that info directly from the DOE website - not such bull@!#$. You need to develop the area to take proper advantage of it. You can't make it happen in 2 weeks. And even if you could, the amount of oil there and what it could produce daily after being fully developed is still pretty insignificant compared to world demand. In a world where gas jumps 50 cents every time Israel and Hamas exchange missile fire, do you really think you'll even notice the very, very small change in oil prices?

This is simply an election year issue for Republicans - because it is popular. They know most Americans won't notice that they aren't doing anything meaningful just so long as they are doing something at all. Just when did McCain(former POW) call for this BEFORE he was running for office? Never - he was AGAINST IT. It polled well and so he ran with it. Don't believe me - let McCain(former POW) tell you HIMSELF -

John McCain(former POW) wrote:I believe that ANWR is one on the pristine places on the world, and I have opposed it. I also believe that the amount of energy that could be recovered from that area is not that impact-full.

And at that time I agreed with him 100% on this. However, the guy who accused Obama of being more "willing to loose a war than an election"(also patently false BTW), this is funny but not hardly his only nor his biggest flip-flop of political convenience.

These videos are priceless!

Especially the pwntage on Meet the Press

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As for your math, groovy, still doesn't answer my question.

How much time does Barack have in an Executive office?

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Do you actually beloieve what you are saying? Substitute Palin with Obama in all those ideas and see if that still rings true to you...

I'm not even sure what you said/asked?





"The FACTS are always subject to CHANGE once the TRUTH is applied"
"In the entire history of man the only stupid questions are the ones that don't get asked"

if the republican party is looked at as the "rich white folks party" then how come the richest states are heavily Democrat and the poorest states are red as all get out?

You guys are putting the term REPUBLICAN and DEMOCRAT, into this entire argument. Who really gives a @!#$ what the parties names are? At the end of the day they are just politicians, who say one thing and do the opposite, it's how you play yourself to the people that gets you elected.

All this talk about how much experience a person has, if its 2 years, 10 years, 40 years, can mean jack @!#$. Its what you do in that time that truly shows what your made of. Also your decision of going by colors on a map red states are republican, blue states are democratic, wtf is this the 3rd grade? Lets be real for a second, do any of these politician give a flying @!#$ what you think of them after they've been hired by the people? Are they going to create the jobs everyday people need. Is the President of the United States going to come up to you and hire you himself.... No, it's not going to happen, so people better wake up from this fantasy of the next person in office is going to make your life a @!#$ load easier.

As far as drilling more oil; that isn't going to solve anything, its just going to make the oil companies a @!#$ load more money. If you think drilling is magically going to make gas go to .75 cents a gallon. Than your mistaken, hell we might not see $2 a gallon for another 5 years at the rate we are going. As long as the demand is still there and the oil companies know people are stupid enough to pay $3+ a gallon, thats probably were it will stay at for the next 2 years.

Now back on topic about Sarah Palin... Yes I would bang her, but this is more of a ploy to get Clinton supporters than anything else. She even said it herself, "18 million cracks in a glass ceiling...". I guess she must mean all of Clinton supporters were women, and since she is a woman she should be elected as well. Thats the wrong move in politics to assume something because of a persons race, beliefs, or sex. I hope it back fires right in their face.


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john317(AKA Gary the Old guy) wrote:

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As for your math, groovy, still doesn't answer my question.

How much time does Barack have in an Executive office?

Ah, gotcha. You only consider executive experience as a factor...By that logic, your argument is sound yes?

One more question for ya, how much executive office experience did Andrew Jackson have? Abe Lincoln? Truman? How about Eisenhower?

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One more question for ya, how much executive office experience did Andrew Jackson have? Abe Lincoln? Truman? How about Eisenhower?

Not sure of the relevance to the here and now,but I'll play along for a little while. While none of the above held "Executive Office" they have ALL been leaders in the "Armed Forces". Lincoln and Truman where both Captains I believe. Jackson and Eisenhower where both Generals of one form or another. Which means they have all been successfully in charge of "troops" with men and women answering to them (think limited "Government" if you will).

Barack has been "in charge" of???

Now two for you. Other then the 2 books he (Obama) has written,does he have any other written papers or court cases that he has argued that are a matter of public record.

Does he have any legislation that he has authored/coauthored,written,whatever?

I guess what I mean is,has he really ever done anything on his own (other then voting) that has accomplished anything for the common good of the people he was placed in office to serve?



"The FACTS are always subject to CHANGE once the TRUTH is applied"
"In the entire history of man the only stupid questions are the ones that don't get asked"

So basically the only thing that matters is "executive experience?" And it doesn't matter at what level? Then every man with "executive experience" leading his family is just as qualified as McCain. I'm sorry but that argument that being mayor of a small town of 8000 being even slightly relative to the presidency, even in the same ball park, that is one of the weakest political arguments I've heard in years. So if I was a store manager, does that make me qualified to be president? If you really think so then you're pretty well lost.

john317(AKA Gary the Old guy) wrote:
Barack has been "in charge" of???

Now two for you. Other then the 2 books he (Obama) has written,does he have any other written papers or court cases that he has argued that are a matter of public record.

Does he have any legislation that he has authored/coauthored,written,whatever?

I guess what I mean is,has he really ever done anything on his own (other then voting) that has accomplished anything for the common good of the people he was placed in office to serve?

If you used google, wikipedia, etc, then you wouldn't need to ask silly things like that.

Obama as a state legislature wrote:Once elected, Obama gained bipartisan support for legislation reforming ethics and health care laws. He sponsored a law increasing tax credits for low-income workers, negotiated welfare reform, and promoted increased subsidies for childcare. In 2001, as co-chairman of the bipartisan Joint Committee on Administrative Rules, Obama supported Republican Governor Ryan's payday loan regulations and predatory mortgage lending regulations aimed at averting home foreclosures, and in 2003, Obama sponsored and led unanimous, bipartisan passage of legislation to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they detained and legislation making Illinois the first state to mandate videotaping of homicide interrogations. In January 2003, Obama became chairman of the Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee when Democrats, after a decade in the minority, regained a majority. During his 2004 general election campaign for U.S. Senate, police representatives credited Obama for his active engagement with police organizations in enacting death penalty reforms.

Obama as a US senator wrote:Obama voted in favor of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 and cosponsored the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act. In September 2006, Obama supported a related bill, the Secure Fence Act. Obama introduced two initiatives bearing his name: "Lugar–Obama," which expanded the Nunn–Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons, and the "Coburn–Obama Transparency Act," which authorized the establishment of www.USAspending.gov, a web search engine.

Obama sponsored legislation requiring nuclear plant owners to notify state and local authorities of radioactive leaks. In December 2006, President Bush signed into law the "Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act," marking the first federal legislation to be enacted with Obama as its primary sponsor. In January 2007, Obama co-sponsored the Honest Leadership and Open Government Act, which was signed into law in September 2007. He introduced S. 453, a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections. Obama also introduced the Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007.

Later in 2007, Obama sponsored an amendment to the Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges. He sponsored the "Iran Sanctions Enabling Act" supporting divestment of state pension funds from Iran's oil and gas industry, and co-sponsored legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism. Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance Program providing one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries.

Committees

Obama held assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs through December 2006. In January 2007, he left the Environment and Public Works committee and took additional assignments with Health, Education, Labor and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. He also became Chairman of the Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs. As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama has made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa

Here is a more complete list of legislation he has sponsored. I'm not gonna try to quote all that here, so you can just click it for yourself.




I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?

So using the link you provided I found these are the ONLY 5 "Approved by Senate" bills out of 131proposed...

109 S.RES. 291 To congratulate the Chicago White Sox on winning the 2005 World Series Championship. ATS

109 S.RES. 516 Recognizing the historical significance of Juneteenth Independence Day and expressing the sense of the Senate that history should be regarded as a means for understanding the past and... ATS

109 S.RES. 529 Designating July 13, 2006, as `National Summer Learning Day'. ATS

110 S.RES. 133 Whereas Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson was born in 1939 to Bishop W.A. and Mrs. Mary Patterson, Sr., in Humboldt, Tennessee; ATS

110 S.RES. 268 Designating July 12, 2007, as `National Summer Learning Day'. ATS

I'm sorry but I'm not at all impressed. For someone who's campaign is "Change,Change,Change" I find nothing that even hints at real change on ANY level that he's saying he can accomplish. Now go and compare his public record to Sarah Palin's.

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So basically the only thing that matters is "executive experience?" And it doesn't matter at what level? Then every man with "executive experience" leading his family is just as qualified as McCain. I'm sorry but that argument that being mayor of a small town of 8000 being even slightly relative to the presidency, even in the same ball park, that is one of the weakest political arguments I've heard in years. So if I was a store manager, does that make me qualified to be president? If you really think so then you're pretty well lost.

Sorry but that bit of rambling isn't even worth discussing.






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"The FACTS are always subject to CHANGE once the TRUTH is applied"
"In the entire history of man the only stupid questions are the ones that don't get asked"

themarin8r wrote:if the republican party is looked at as the "rich white folks party" then how come the richest states are heavily Democrat and the poorest states are red as all get out?

Because poor people tend to be dumb in general, that's why their poor. edit: I don't intend that as a shot at all poor people. just the families that tend to spend generations there. They are the ones that will eat every turd you sell to them.

Keep setting them up, I'll keep knocking them down.



As for Palin... I've been discussing this since Saturday with all of my friends, Dems, Reps, and Independents alike. Everyone thought the sure fire choice was Romney because of the clout he would add to the ticket. Palin is a nobody if you don't follow politics, and that's not what John needed, She added zero thunder to the ticket, and will maybe bring more female votes - the ignorant ones anyways, if she brings anything.

Plus you guys that say the women will now rush to McCain because he chose a gal for VP really must not think much of most women, their brains, and their loyalty. Plus the fact that you think they'd really vote Republican just to be spiteful is a laughable idea. This isn't the cheering section for the varsity basketball team, this is the election for the most powerful position in the world.

Then again I'm biased as @!#$. But so is everyone else in here.





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You asked:

john317(AKA Gary the Old guy) wrote:Does he have any legislation that he has authored/coauthored,written,whatever?

You recieved:

Bastardking3000 wrote:Here is a more complete list of legislation he has sponsored

You did not ask for legislation that is pending approval in committee. You did not ask for legislation that gained approval by committee and is awaiting vote. You did not ask for approved by senate legislation. Therefore, you got all of the above.

Here is another link with a list of legislation he sponsored or co-sponsored, much more detailed than the Wikipedia list.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3132998

As for number two:

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Other then the 2 books he (Obama) has written,does he have any other written papers or court cases that he has argued that are a matter of public record.

Renewing America's Leadership - By Barack Obama

He left a damn near invisible paper trail at Harvard, and so far I haven't had much luck with court cases. I'll keep digging when I have more time though. Still have one resource I havent tapped yet.

Now, one more for you:

What was Palin's record as mayor? As in, she accomplished a lot as guvner, did she have similar success as mayor?

(Yes, I know I can look it up myself, but its more fun to debate...)




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What was Palin's record as mayor? As in, she accomplished a lot as guvner, did she have similar success as mayor?

Using WIKI real fast (got to go pickup my kids).


Palin fulfilled campaign promises to reduce the salary of the mayor, and to reduce property taxes by 40 percent.[7] She increased the city sales tax to pay for construction of an indoor ice rink and sports complex.[21] At this time, state Republican leaders began grooming her for higher office.[17] She ran for re-election as mayor against Stein in 1999,[7][22] winning by a 50% margin.[23] Palin was also elected president of the Alaska Conference of Mayors.[24]

So,ya I'd say she did pretty well as mayor also.


As far Obama goes,when he first started his run for Pres. I was really interested in what he had to say. The more listened the more began to research but like you I could find very little paper trail for him or his "accomplishment" as a lawyer,state or or U.S. Senator.

If your tell me your going to change things at least be able to point back to something you've legislated that really made a change/impact.

Sorry,got to run...





"The FACTS are always subject to CHANGE once the TRUTH is applied"
"In the entire history of man the only stupid questions are the ones that don't get asked"

So let me get this strait, so in order to hold white house office, one (needs) to have "executive experience?"
Really?
Do we need remembering on how much of a f-uck up Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush was and yet these clowns met that important "executive experience."
To use the excuse "must have executive experience" is lame and not a necessity to be in the white house.



THE POLITICALLY INCORRECT ONE.

actually i think putting someone in there that has never participated in any public office and actually worked a real job for any length of time would be much better

im sorry but 20 some years in the senate doesnt qualify you as anything but able to manipulate the public well enough to gain reelection



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Obama = assasination waiting to happen

The way I look at it we are voting for the VP's, and I don't like either choice.
Of course, I don't particularly like either of the headliners either, but I hate McCain with a passion (I'm from/in AZ, and I played hockey with his son).
I didn't think the choices could get worse than 2004, but here we are...




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A state governor in the Whitehouse?

OI YOI YOI!!!!


Didn't you guys learn the last time?




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GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:A state governor in the Whitehouse?

OI YOI YOI!!!!


Didn't you guys learn the last time?

Yep - GWB is the man with "executive experience" before being elected president - He was Governor of Texas - just not a great one. Before that he had executive experience running several companies(into the ground that is).

Integrity, Intelligence, and Ability > Experience
Quality > Quantity
Any day of the week.

First - There is NO JOB on earth quite like being President. The closest would be controlling another nation, and obviously anyone running another nation cannot run this one. When it comes down to it, the ONLY people who really have the experience to be the US President - are former US Presidents.

Second - The President does not need to go in being an expert on every subject(If I was wrong then better not elect McCain who has self-admitted he doesn't know much about the economy). That is exactly why the Cabinet positions exist. You appoint people who are the best/most knowledgeable in their respective fields(or if you are GWB you appoint cronies/yes-men). George Washington was self admittingly not ready to be president either(he knew how to run an army but not so much of the rest of running a nation), which is why he created those positions.

Third - The President therefore needs to be someone with high intelligence who makes the judgment calls based off the information at hand. Obama has been consistently correct in what he has said. Even the Bush administration has been moving closer and closer to the same Obama foreign policy positions they once ridiculed as naive, and they've made great strides in doing so. Better late than never, but someone who makes decisions right THE FIRST TIME is what we really need as President.

Forth, Obama has actually lived in places besides the US. That lends a much better understanding of how the rest of the world actually works. Plus he has even lived in Muslim-majority countries. Seeing as how Muslim radicals are the biggest threat we are facing(unless a McCain(former POW)-induced Cold War # 2 with Russia has anything to say about that), I think putting someone in charge who might understand how that part of the world thinks is maybe, just maybe a critical, must-have component of any modern US President.

And if that still doesn't satisfy you, then Joe Biden is more experienced than John McCain. And his credentials by far out-shine McCain's(former POW) own.


I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?

O.O Here is a video of Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan(both heavy Conservatives) talking about the absurdity of choosing Sara Palin - HOURS before the announcement was made.

I bet they wish they could take that back.

And here is Michele Bachmann(always a stupid bitch) On Larry King Live trying to argue on her behalf. This is comedy gold.

According the Bachmann, saying that Palin is "supremely unqualified for her position" is "demeaning to women."
(BTW she was for that "bridge to nowhere" before she was against it)

Apparently, the Alaskan Independence Party claims she was once a member but as of yet there is no proof of this. Also, someone with the username "Young Trigg" (her son's name BTW) edited her Wikipedia entry 15 minutes before the announcement of her as VP was made.

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She was called "a politician of eye-popping integrity" and sections on her participation in a beauty pageant and her alleged use of influence to get her former brother-in-law fired were diminished.

I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?

None of this matters. Obama will destroy McCain in the debates. Obama = great aurator. McCain gets stumped answering fluff questions on Jay Leno. I have been a fan of McCain's for a long time and I feel sorry for him because of what's about to happen.

Biden is supremely intelligent, knows world and government politics and issues like few others in Washington. I have a strong feeling Palin is also very sharp but there is no way on God's green earth she could POSSIBLY know as much as Biden. I feel she will also lose in the debates.

And I don't care what the polls say, the polls are scientifically adminstered to represent a cross section of society, but much of Obama's support is emotional. Emotional because people have grown to hate Bush's frack ups (which at this point are indefensible), tired of Republican's abandonment of "fiscal responsibility" and "limited government", tired of debt and deficits, gas prices, home mortgages, joblessness, healthcare, invasion of privacy, immigration.. the list goes on. And of course, because Obama is a human magnent.

And it doesn't matter that some/much of that stuff might of been out of any politicians control, when it happens on your watch, you take the blame. People can't keep tab on the all the details.




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