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Sticky Psychology
Monday, April 10, 2006 7:01 PM
I just finished reading the new sticky of psychology 101, how to think like a tuner and was informed, educated, and sadly, appalled. Not appalled by what he had to say, but at what happened a mere day or so after it was posted. I'm here, with my newbian not yet premium self, to shed some light on a subject, that perhaps, has gone unnoticed by the JBO masses. All who dare read on for my own brand of psychology. The kind of psychology that makes you go "Yea wtf is that guy thinking?" Read on for Sticky Psychology 101.

First point I must make. This is in no how, shape, or forms an attack on slowolej. I think his title to the thread was a bit dramatic, but to each their own, right?

As stated previously, I still classify myself as a “newbie” in all realms of cars, but I bet I know more about quite a few car subjects than some “newbies.” Digressing, I have to also defend myself when I make this post in the fact that I am not a life newbie, nor am I ignorant or blind to the things around me, and thusly, I feel compelled to make this thread in the hopes of change and betterment for all who flock to these digital info-fields. I was going to just throw together a nice couple paragraph rant about the sticky system being ridiculous, but slowly I discovered myself writing a freaking dissertation on the subject at hand. And so, as stated in the rules, which I have read, my thoughts will be well conceived and thought out instead of just blurting out the first thing that upsets me.

Another point that must be made is that, my ideas are just one man’s. I wish I could have all the answers and knew how to write the code so that this site had an edit button and I could fix the search button to filter to exactly what you meant by the term “bolt on” but I cannot.

I suppose the first issue to discuss is “What is a sticky?” Well, im glad you asked Billy. Exactly what constitutes the validity in making a thread a sticky? I believe it was some 25 pages of replies to the HP Tuners FAQ before it became, or had a sticky incarnation made of the subject. Then there is the sticky of the day, which took a mere 24 hours plus to get on the board as a sticky, but much like Bush winning the election even though he didn’t have the popular vote, that particular thread had very few replies. So, as a member of the JBO, should I trudge through 25pages of half sentence and one word replies to find the single answer I am looking for about the HPTuners software? Yes, I think if the information is important enough to you, you need to spend the time looking. Then, ask the question, as a human being, in this day of technology, should I have to blind myself on my PC screen while idiots flame each other for 2 and a half pages while the answer I seek is on page 22 of 25? No is the answer.

The easy thing to do is ask the moderators what they are thinking? In the “GO GO GO” category alone, there are now 6 stickies in performance, 3 in suspension, 3 in N2O, 5 in boost, 1 in racing, and none in transmission. None, zero, zilch in the subject that has been around for probably more than 100 years longer than any supercharger or NAWS setup. Nothing to tell you how to tell if you have a 3 or 4 speed auto transmission or if you have the Getrag or isuzue. Those are in newbie stickies I believe. But wait, even a simple “FAQ” about tranny pricing would cut down a ton of threads in transmission forum.
This brings us to our next subject of debate. Those that bitch instead of help. Regardless if you spent 12 months sitting in the shadows reading and searching everything before any of you made your first post, that does not mean that is the most ideal thing to do, or most beneficial. If us tuners were people who wanted to wait, or simply get stuff that’s already there, we would all save our money and go buy an SRT-4 or something else turbo’d and with more horsepower to start, we wouldn’t modify our cars at all, and that is a statement that I think shakes the foundation of what this forum stands for to the core. Read it over a couple of times, it makes sense if you think about it. Do not turn the thread that I posted into a flame war or a battle for the first position to reply and say “search.”
If you know there have been other threads on the subject, technology hasn’t changed in our cars that greatly over the past 10 years even so I can almost guarantee that %90 of all subjects have already been covered in this forum already, then its safe to say that u probably have read something on the subject and could just as easily contribute that to the person instead of textually back handing them. A simple “I think Madjack could help” would be of much better assistance.

Back to another previous point. If we make more stickies on subjects people actually need info on, instead of things like the aforementioned psychology, that would cut down the number of “newbie” threads correct? Most likely, or one would hope. This is no guarantee, but would more than likely lead to simple “FAQ” or “STICKY” flame posts to those “newbies” who don’t read at all or thoroughly enough of the stickies. But the real point is, do the moderators and the JBO really want less newbie threads and threads in general? A few simple FAQS and stickies in the transmission forum may post enough info to make the whole forum itself not be a necessity and could be grouped with performance. Again, is this what we want? Doubtful, and thusly causes a divergence between what the members that complain about newbies not searching and moderators who need people to post in the forums to keep it alive(I suppose).

“Riley is sounds like your talking out of your ass here.” Well yea, psychology isn’t really an exact science (to me anyways). It changes and meshes with the situation. Some people aren’t just depressed, but have seasonal depression. More on that point. A simple sticky, by nature, stays atop the thread list for all to see and have its information bestowed upon. That does not mean that it couldn’t go up there for say, 18 months, and if the threads about the subject(s) disappeared, one could even remove the sticky and simply place it in the archives. Now I live in Western Pennsylvania and a lot of the stuff we do and my school does doesn’t make sense, but that doesn’t keep people from bringing up the fact that it would make a lot more sense to do it another way.

So, bottom line, here we go. Why are we adding stickies like slowolej’s to probably the most heavily trafficked forum on this site, when every other thread is a contest to see who can type "Search!" first or later if the thread is bumped at all, one of the "veterans" of this site start an all out bitch off about the subject? As I paste this into the new post screen, I wonder if I should click the email me replies button. Hmm, what kind of response will I get? Will the people who actually read this just simply revert back to telling me to EFF off or something of that nature? Or will it be taken to heart by some, and not by others, and even better by those who should notice it? Or will it simply fall on deaf ears and be moved to another forum for it to die a slow and meaningless death…

Re: Sticky Psychology
Monday, April 10, 2006 7:05 PM
good point..i do agree..to a certain extent..phil..
Re: Sticky Psychology
Monday, April 10, 2006 9:49 PM
Quote:

I wonder if I should click the email me replies button. Hmm, what kind of response will I get?


Search! j/k

Quote:

The easy thing to do is ask the moderators what they are thinking? In the “GO GO GO” category alone, there are now 6 stickies in performance, 3 in suspension, 3 in N2O, 5 in boost, 1 in racing, and none in transmission. None, zero, zilch in the subject that has been around for probably more than 100 years longer than any supercharger or NAWS setup. Nothing to tell you how to tell if you have a 3 or 4 speed auto transmission or if you have the Getrag or isuzue. Those are in newbie stickies I believe.


I agree with this portion (there's other parts that I do agree with, but I'll let others formulate opinions on them).

While it would be as simple as writing an FAQ for the tranny section, it would require one to actually write it up.

There is also the aspect of it becoming a sticky. IIRC, Dave is the only one that can designate a sticky thread, none of the other mods have that power. (If I am mistaken, could one of the mods please correct me)

I have seen the same questions come up in the transmission forum, the one that I mainly search for is the prothane tranny bushings, and all it would take is adding that that to an FAQ and hope it gets read.











Re: Sticky Psychology
Tuesday, April 11, 2006 12:45 AM
Wrong forum?


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Re: Sticky Psychology
Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:31 AM
So, from all of that, it seems all that you're crying about is a lack of stickies in the tranny forum. I've wondered about this myself, but I think you definately went about the problem the wrong way. Instead of wasting your and our time with this long-winded blow-off, you could have just done a write-up for the tranny forum.
Stickies are handed out based on how much the info would benefit people who join (the neewwwbs). This is information that would benefit anyone who wants to start tuning their car, so basically, everyone in this forum, which is why it's deserving of sticky-status.
Somewhere in you babbling you mentioned that newbs reading stickies cuts down on the "what intake?" and "what muffler?" posts, and that this would be detrimental? We need these posts to keep the forum going? Are you kidding?!? The forum would be so much better without that crap coming through twenty times a day, as the somewhat decent posts wouldn't be thrown off the front page so quickly. Also, I applaud those who reply to "which exhaust would sound best on my ...?" with "READ THE FAQ" instead of giving in to the newbs ignorance, becuase that's what the FAQ is there for, and by getting them to read it we will cut down on many future useless posts by the newb.
Oh yeah, the HP Tuners FAQ didn't have 25+ pages of replies like you stated, it had maybe one. It was stickied because the regular HP Tuners thread (which did have 25+ pages) kept having the same questions asked over and over.
Personally, I think we need to have a registration filter. Make an applicant answer a few questions based on the info in the stickies before they can complete their registration for these forums. That way we'll know they've done some research before posting.

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better a delay than a disaster.
Re: Sticky Psychology
Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:56 AM
^^^Agreed


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Re: Sticky Psychology
Tuesday, April 11, 2006 8:24 AM
^^dissagree with the both of you.

he brings up a good point. this is supposed to be a factual, informative, enthusiasts web forum.

and not to discredit the authour of the psyc papper used as an example only either, but how much of the info that are made into stickies actually informative?

what we need is actually information.

yes the types of trannies are covered in the FAQ's of the website, but why not have a post on them, cause lord knows nobody looks for the info thats already there. now yes its true no body would probably look at the knew stickies that could be made on the trannies, but if some people do, then its benneficial in atleast some way.

here are some subjects that need to be made more readily available in my opinion to those who need it:

- how to do front / rear brake work
- transmission identification
- transmission service
- a proper guide on selecting wheels (ways to go about it, consequences, gains, etc)

ive cruised this site for many years before registering, and i must say it has improved. probably the biggest improvement was getting rid of the versus forum.

in my opinion, i think there is too many crying posts on this forum, but there is alot of good decent info aswell. we need to highlight that good decent info, and gather a kind of compendium or encyclopedia of it all.

the flow of information into those stickies must be controlled to. yes information can change over time and new information is added, but we dont need 30 posts between actuall posts with information on the subject at hand saying that this needs to be made a sticky and bickering about some random @!#$ that has nothing to do with the subject at all.

all that is needed is a few authors who have knowledge on the subject and some one to controll it all. it should be a monitored thread, like the GP's in how they have to be approved. i think the informtion should be approved by the monitors, the modderators, the original author (for additions to his work, if at all possibe), and if need be the info can be voted on or decided if it is relevant by the voices of the forum (mass public).

this is a very good website and is very informative, but theres also alot of crap you have to fish through to get to the gold.

we need to limit the crap.



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Re: Sticky Psychology
Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:13 AM
I agree with alot of what was first posted. I do not go to the sticky's because I have found they are usually one persons views. To often on this site that happens. As also mentions regardless if there is sticky's or not people will post there questions. Me included. If I have a question to get answered I want peoples fresh thoughts on it. Maybe someone who has info for my question did not help write the sticky. I think the info in the sticky's should be in the library to clean up the forms. I know someone will say no one will see them, well who really sees them now.
As stated if you can take the time to post search, then answer the question. We sometimes ban, or warn people for things what about for that. That one post usually creates more fights in post than anything else.



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Re: Sticky Psychology
Tuesday, April 11, 2006 9:30 AM
Re: Sticky Psychology
Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:24 PM
Kardain wrote:There is also the aspect of it becoming a sticky. IIRC, Dave is the only one that can designate a sticky thread, none of the other mods have that power. (If I am mistaken, could one of the mods please correct me)


Not true. I stickied this particular one because, after reading through it, I felt it was valuable enough to end up as required reading for a tuning forum, once there are enough people doing ECU tuning to warrant one. I stickied it here to keep it around until it can be moved.





Re: Sticky Psychology
Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:21 PM
There are quite a few questions asked in every board I'm on that can be answered very quickly and painfully if the person asking it simply took the time to look it up. WWW.J-Body.ORG is not the only site on the internet. Meaning this- simple things, like "How does my transmission work?" or "How do disc/drum brakes work?" or even "Will an intake help me?" can all be answered by typing it into Google. Very easy, its just too many people are too lazy to think before typing.

This is not to say that vehicle specific things shouldn't be stickied, such as "What transmission came in my car?" or "What years/models had FE3 suspensions?". Too many people here (and many of the other sites I'm on) consider this to be the only information channel they have, and by doing that, they're only screwing themselves, since regular visitors don't like answering trivial questions that can be found elsewhere.

I'm all for FAQ/stickies/READ THIS FIRST posts, since it puts the info right there, where its needed, but again, too many people are too lazy to actually read it.

Maybe this should go in the War forum.....





Re: Sticky Psychology
Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:22 PM
There are quite a few questions asked in every board I'm on that can be answered very quickly and painlessly if the person asking it simply took the time to look it up. WWW.J-Body.ORG is not the only site on the internet. Meaning this- simple things, like "How does my transmission work?" or "How do disc/drum brakes work?" or even "Will an intake help me?" can all be answered by typing it into Google. Very easy, its just too many people are too lazy to think before typing.

This is not to say that vehicle specific things shouldn't be stickied, such as "What transmission came in my car?" or "What years/models had FE3 suspensions?". Too many people here (and many of the other sites I'm on) consider this to be the only information channel they have, and by doing that, they're only screwing themselves, since regular visitors don't like answering trivial questions that can be found elsewhere.

I'm all for FAQ/stickies/READ THIS FIRST posts, since it puts the info right there, where its needed, but again, too many people are too lazy to actually read it.

Maybe this should go in the War forum.....




Re: Sticky Psychology
Tuesday, April 11, 2006 6:22 PM
Ummmmm..ok then.




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