I live in Mi, so I already know who is going to get the electoral votes from my state regardless of who I vote for. I dont like either of them.
I would just like to to say that when all of you who vote for Obama are out of a job because of his tax plan and spread the wealth crap don't you dare cry about it. I know several business owners that were planning to expand but, if Obama gets elected they are calling it quits and retiring. my rough guess is that, that is about 100 people without jobs. Immediately. As he taxes the wealthy and big business please be assured your cost of living will shoot up drastically. Why? well, companies have to make their money so they will raise their prices to compensate for that. Once again, as they do that they will cut jobs left and right. They will leave the country in droves. The auto industry is gonna get slammed.
If you are poor or underprivileged then that's just to bad. Fix it. handing out another mans money to the less fortunate who didn't work for it is just wrong.
I am not wealthy. I struggle sometimes to get along but, that's because of choices I made. I don't want a handout. I don't want money I didn't earn taken from others and given to me.
Most people voting for Obama have no idea who he is. That's sad. Uninformed (give me handouts) poor people and minorities only hear the crap that man spews. If he is elected this country is in for a rude awakening. Socialism doesn't work. Look at Socialist countries.
Just to make it known, I am not for McCain either. sadly enough the SHEEPLE of America have succumbed to a 2 party system.
Lastly, if Obama is elected he will have us in more trouble with the middle east then Bush or any other president ever has.
That $250,000 has now dropped to like 125,000. It's gonna get worse.
I won't argue with the above guy as I enjoy his place of employment.
Haha.
obama sound alot like ohsama(bin laden). doesnt solute the flag his wife is a racist pig and hes said so many things and then next stop changed his opinion the most outta all of the canidates. He just plainly SUCKS an would at prez to. any body know a crackhead cause i bet u post him on the ballet hed look better then obama.
bluedriftcavy(a.k.a. wayne) wrote:obama sound alot like ohsama(bin laden). doesnt solute the flag his wife is a racist pig and hes said so many things and then next stop changed his opinion the most outta all of the canidates. He just plainly SUCKS an would at prez to. any body know a crackhead cause i bet u post him on the ballet hed look better then obama.
You definitely sound educated, sir. Thank you.
If you really look at it have we had a decent candidate choice in years. answer no. those are not the only things im basing on for this nov. many others. i disagree with both sides and truely hate to see either in the house just if mccains voted in we dont stand as much of a chance for the world to test us as if obama was in were sitting f&*king ducks. plus the video that keeps getting removed off utube makes a great point with obama and his "plans & promises" . P.S. I'M JOE THE PLUMBER
bluedriftcavy(a.k.a. wayne) wrote:If you really look at it have we had a decent candidate choice in years. answer no.
we did this year. Ron Paul.
RP did himself his own greatest disservice by running as a republican.
sorry tabs i should of specified. i mean the ones that made it to the end. or did he havent heard of him. couple of my friends liked rudy to and the guy from law and orders views.dont know.
Who is more qualified???
How about that?
Thats not even a comparison.
I'm not for either canidate and defiantly not for Obama. I enjoy reading arguments from both sides and must say that the Obama supporters are having there ass handed to them when it comes down to plain facts. I haven't researched the percentage of blacks voting for Obama because of his color but it is obvious that most are voting for that simple reason. Among other things the McCain ads do tend to be more negative than Obama's.
On youtube.com and many other places you can find things that are plain as daylight about Obama. Here is a short clip from Obama’s Pastor, Mentor, close friend, the man who baptized his kids, married his wife and him and wrote the book The Audacity of Hope for his beloved Pastor Wright.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUbUBTlmAiA
This is one of the many things that are being pushed off as nothing by the media. Who obviously is bias.
My question is not why are so many people for Obama but why are there so many ignorant people out there. Yeah that statement might start a few issues but if anything it will better prove my point. By the way all this is being said with me not being for either canidate. (Just a small reminder.)
KFLO wrote:RP did himself his own greatest disservice by running as a republican.
why? RP
is a republican (a true republican) and his best bet was to run
as a republican. we all know how 3rd party candidates are treated--even worse than RP was as a republican--and there was no way he could have gotten nearly as much attention as he did otherwise.
(tabs) wrote: Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:
The same reason you're not voting for him... He is Black.
i'm sorry.....did you just say that you were voting for him because he is black? and that i am not voting for him because he is black? that is just such a simplistically ignorant statement that i'm not sure where to begin with it......seriously, just wow.
do you honestly think that i am disqualifying obama because of his skin color? like taetsch said....if that lets you sleep at night, then you can go on thinking that. that seems to be the thing that most obama supporters like to parade around. anybody who doesnt like obama is a racist, right? suuuuure. i mean i didnt lay out actual reasons that i didnt approve of him, such as his complete lack of experience. oh no....im a big, bad, bullying white man who is trying to keep a minority figure down. i also helped the cia introduce crack in the mid 80s for the same purpose..
If you remotely thought that was the reason I'm voting for Obama I suggest you remove the 12 foot pole from your ass and understand sarcasm or maybe you are you that gullible? Now, I know ( I hope at least )you would not be dumb enough to admit that on the internet that you would not vote for him because he is black, but I would not be surprised if that was case. God forbid a black man resides in the white house, right? I know those states in the north and those "bible belt states" are a little red around the neck and well their mentality is as retrograde as a wooden wagon wheel.
As for your media regurgitating, very "basic," and lame argument on "no experience." Last time I checked, nobody in the presidential ticket is an incumbent, therefore NOBODY has any experience for being a president. The only one that could hold a candle on experience was Hillary as her husband was in the White House and she lived there, that right there is 8 years that could be added in her resume.
(tabs) wrote:Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:Also before you start labeling "liberalism" like ignorant media and many politians do, I would suggest to read books on the father of liberalism: John Locke. You would be hard pressed to find out that you would fall under the category: Liberal. 
i know who john locke is, so dont talk down to me like i am an unschooled child. i am a self proclaimed libertarian. we support individual freedoms and constitutional rights. the term "liberalism" or "liberals" in reference to our current political system denotes a more socialistic approach where the government supports its people through a welfare system.
If you had a blip of an idea on who John Locke is and more importantly knew the definition of liberalism according to the creator, you would not be throwing around the word "Liberal" to any notion that anything that comes from the left and ONLY left is liberal. What your are doing is regurgitating ignorant labels that media and dumb candidates spew out to try to categorize, belittle, or worse-- insult. If these a-holes knew just knew 50% of what liberalism is, I guarantee they would have to shut up. I'll give you a preview...The ONLY places I can say with authority that does not believe in liberalistic views is China, Saudi Arabia, etc.
THE POLITICALLY INCORRECT ONE.
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:(tabs) wrote: Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:
The same reason you're not voting for him... He is Black.
i'm sorry.....did you just say that you were voting for him because he is black? and that i am not voting for him because he is black? that is just such a simplistically ignorant statement that i'm not sure where to begin with it......seriously, just wow.
do you honestly think that i am disqualifying obama because of his skin color? like taetsch said....if that lets you sleep at night, then you can go on thinking that. that seems to be the thing that most obama supporters like to parade around. anybody who doesnt like obama is a racist, right? suuuuure. i mean i didnt lay out actual reasons that i didnt approve of him, such as his complete lack of experience. oh no....im a big, bad, bullying white man who is trying to keep a minority figure down. i also helped the cia introduce crack in the mid 80s for the same purpose..
If you remotely thought that was the reason I'm voting for Obama I suggest you remove the 12 foot pole from your ass and understand sarcasm or maybe you are you that gullible? Now, I know ( I hope at least )you would not be dumb enough to admit that on the internet that you would not vote for him because he is black, but I would not be surprised if that was case. God forbid a black man resides in the white house, right? I know those states in the north and those "bible belt states" are a little red around the neck and well their mentality is as retrograde as a wooden wagon wheel.
of course....because i dont support obama i must be an ignorant, bible-thumping redneck. no other reason could possibly fit into your narrow minded view, could it?
i suppose this is the part of the argument where i am supposed to espouse my professional and academic degrees and certifications, trying desperately to achieve in your eyes some level of intellectual respect, right? nah, i dont feel like humoring you. everyone knows i'll be starting my PhD next fall. ***oops....i guess i just let that one slip. my bad***
again...whatever helps you sleep at night, man. if it helps your cause to paint me as an ignorant racist, then by all means just call me kramer. but if you ever feel like growing up and opening your eyes to what ive already said, then just let me know.
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:As for your media regurgitating, very "basic," and lame argument on "no experience." Last time I checked, nobody in the presidential ticket is an incumbent, therefore NOBODY has any experience for being a president. The only one that could hold a candle on experience was Hillary as her husband was in the White House and she lived there, that right there is 8 years that could be added in her resume.
you're so right.....i just regurgitate what i hear from the media. the reality is that two years in office on the national level gives you a robust and full resume and makes you completely qualified to lead a country. and of course anyone over four years in office immediately receives negative experience points, making mccain about twenty some behind obama. isnt that how it works?
hell, PALIN has more executive experience than obama! but i guess in bizarro world that should count against her too, right?
Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:(tabs) wrote:Mr.Goodwrench-G.T. wrote:Also before you start labeling "liberalism" like ignorant media and many politians do, I would suggest to read books on the father of liberalism: John Locke. You would be hard pressed to find out that you would fall under the category: Liberal.
i know who john locke is, so dont talk down to me like i am an unschooled child. i am a self proclaimed libertarian. we support individual freedoms and constitutional rights. the term "liberalism" or "liberals" in reference to our current political system denotes a more socialistic approach where the government supports its people through a welfare system.
If you had a blip of an idea on who John Locke is and more importantly knew the definition of liberalism according to the creator, you would not be throwing around the word "Liberal" to any notion that anything that comes from the left and ONLY left is liberal. What your are doing is regurgitating ignorant labels that media and dumb candidates spew out to try to categorize, belittle, or worse-- insult. If these a-holes knew just knew 50% of what liberalism is, I guarantee they would have to shut up. I'll give you a preview...The ONLY places I can say with authority that does not believe in liberalistic views is China, Saudi Arabia, etc.
*yawn*
if you cant accept that over time words or terms can achieve new meanings, then thats your problem. i cant help if you dont appreciate the way the word "liberal" is being used today. if you dont like it, talk to your "liberal" media about it....
Wade Jarvis wrote: You have to go to talk radio to find out the stuff the media covers up about Obama.
Yeah because they always have the facts, what a joke. Talk radio is just as bias as the rest of the media.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2898349
Dj Little Big Man wrote:
* rolls eyes *
that makes no sense and does nothing to encourage a healthy debate.
downlinx wrote:sndsgood wrote:hes a great speaker and gets people to stand up and take notice kinda like another democrat from the past who love his cigars.
he's one of those people that could give a speach about nothing and allot of people would go yeah i agree 100%.
you know what sux sndsgood is that as living in indiana as we do, it doesnt matter who you vote for, indiana is a republican state and our vote isnt going to change that.
well im kinda hoping that stays the case. i dont care much for obama. doubt my vote is going that way. not that im jumping over joy for mccain either. think my biggest concern is keeping daniels in office personally. seems with him in office indiana has been doing better then most every state. and if everyone paid attention to what was going on in their own states it might not make that big a diffrece which yahoo is in office.
the issue with indiana though is isnt obama from chicago? i know thats not indiana but the entire northwestern part of indiana tends to lean towards chicago more then it leans towd indy.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sndsgood/ https://www.facebook.com/#!/Square1Photography
Vincent Morris wrote:ill tell you why some dont, mainly my family...
if/when he is elected. anyone making more than $250,000 gets their taxes increased. my mom owns a ups store and the income is well over $250,000. good news right? WRONG. it cost about $300,000 to $400,000 to run the store and she has to take some money from my dads income to run the store. so once obama gets it we go bankrupt. and there goes his helping the middle class BS. you either love him or hate him and i for one cant stand him. he is a rookie senator who hasnt strayed 2 ft off his party lines. i dont want mccain either, or palin. biden has the best chance but i dont want any of them, i already voted and i sat there for almost 10 minutes trying to figure out who was going to @!#$ up the country the least.
Pretty much the same deal in my family. My Grandparents own a large Furniture/appliance business that has been around for 48 years. They make over the 250,000 and employee around 15 people, who make pretty decent money. At the moment its pretty much sit and wait to see how they are either going to have to bite the bullet or let people go, so much for spread the wealth right.
And it pisses me off because my Grandparents do have money and what do they do with it? They donate to build our town a new Baseball field two years ago, they donate a hefty amount to the church every sunday, they sponsor little league, and peewee teams of all types of sport leagues in the area every fricken year, give to charity's and recently donated a bunch of new equipment to the high school music programs. While meeting a payroll every week. But I guess they wont be able to anymore and they will just write Mr. Obama his big check every year because he knows better where that money should be spent. YAY AMERICA!
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bluedriftcavy(a.k.a. wayne) wrote:obama sound alot like ohsama(bin laden). doesnt solute the flag his wife is a racist pig and hes said so many things and then next stop changed his opinion the most outta all of the canidates. He just plainly SUCKS an would at prez to. any body know a crackhead cause i bet u post him on the ballet hed look better then obama.
WOW
this must be your mom
As for the topic at hand i dont even know where to start, so i wont. the election is in 2 days, so we will all see in due time. Also some of you reps are WAY off base with your accusations. If you actually educate your self on both sides of the issues than you cant make an educated comment, to an extent. Quick taught me to read all the facts from both sides and even though i almost always dont agree with him he makes very good arguements. Please people educate yourselves and then vote. DONT be loke the lady in the vid. Im on a jeep network and most people are southerners and think EXACTLY like that. I SH!T U NOT.
(tabs) wrote:Dj Little Big Man wrote:
* rolls eyes *
that makes no sense and does nothing to encourage a healthy debate.
Well it actually does make sense and no it really don't help this debate I guess.
However I thought it was funny because all 3 are worthless.
Think about it. All 3 were/are a good speaker. They rallied a people looking for change. People loved the first two then look what they did. Obama is certainly capable of being the same as the first two. Sure he won't kill tons of people but, he will screw them all the same.
