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97cavy22 wrote:^^^i duno about all that.....pretty much all the mussle car engines were low-tech pushrod engines, and well they would smoke most of the hightech honda engines out there today....
anyway much love for the 2.2 OHV, ive seriously considered putting ALOT of time and money into it just to shut people up, but honestly i dont have the knowledge or time being in college to do it
i know almost all v8's are ohv (low tech) but i was talking about the size... "no replacment for displacment"...
"There is no point in looking fast if your not."
i just think its funny alot of the ohv guys (like the guy that started this thread) gotta cry like a buch of freakin babies !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
grow the hell up
if you cant take the constructive critism , get the hell out the engine compartment
This is such a worthless posts to just start crap between the different trims. This is coming from a OHV guy.
I did what I wanted to do with my 2.2L and I was happy with how it performed. I use to get some crap from the eco and 2.4L people but I impressed them when we would race around or run it down at the track.
A motor is only limited to how much time you want to invest into it.
Have a good one,
Justin
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[quote=97cavie24ls(JDM cav sedan™)]i just think its funny alot of the ohv guys (like the guy that started this thread) gotta cry like a buch of freakin babies !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
grow the hell up
if you cant take the constructive critism , get the hell out the engine compartment
No one is crying about anything...all he wants to do is get the dumb thoughts out of narrow minded people who think that an LN2 is a worthless or pointless motor to work on. A car is only worth as much as the owner thinks it is. If someone wants to invest $10,000 into the motor, let them. For god's sakes your talking about a motor that comes stock with about 20 something hp less than an ECOTEC...it's not the end of the world.
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i dont think anyone here doesnt agree than the Ln2 motor can be made. With any car it can be done. But unless you like dumping tons of money into a car that you will never get back and still be pretty slow, im gonna always tell people not to bother modding it. Performance for price, its much cheaper to buy a used Ld9 engine and swap it in, than it is to do anymod to a ln2.
I used to own a 95 2.2L, it sucked and was slow. The engine ate 2 head gaskets within 30,000 miles. Lots of problems and a very slow engine.
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I agree that the post is a bit odd, But I myself do get sick of people doging the LN2. I know its a dinky motor but as anymotor has its strong and weak points. I dont care if it could be faster or slower than a 2.4 or an eco, IF I CARED I WOULD OF GOT ANOTHER CAR. I love mine (have hated it to), I get beat by anything over a 2.0
but ill keep modding the the old pushrods cuz it makes me happy.
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Today 12:41 PM
This is such a worthless posts to just start crap between the different trims
there already was crap between different trims since long before I got here... don't tell me you haven't seen it before.
I'm merely posting my discontent with the narrow minds on this website, alot of which is directed towards the 2.2 and 2200 OHV
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Today 12:37 PM
if you cant take the constructive critism , get the hell out the engine compartment
constructive critisism is fine, but when people just talk out their ass it tends to annoy me.
Even when someone with an OHV has accomplished something great, they catch flak for using the OHV instead of the 2.4 or ecotec... cut me a break can't you people just give credit where its due?
I have resepct for any car thats fast, whether it Jbody, Cobalt, Sentra, Civic, Pinto, I don't care what it is if it's fast it gets respect...
I don't care what engine it has under the hood, but apparently some of the people on this site seem to think that because its an OHV it doesn't deserve respect at all, ever...
that's horse@!#$.
The more I cruise the org, and post, and interact with some of its characters the less I want to be associated with this community.
And what happens when you voice your opinion contrary to the popular idea of the masses? You're called a "whiner" and a "baby".
Understand this ladies and gentlemen: No two engines are created on the same level however mods are the great equalizer.
The OHV might require more mods to make faster than a twin cam, but the satisfaction received from shutting most of you up is more than worth it.
and contrary to popular belief, its not always more money per mod. since the OHV has only 8 valves, and the twin cams have 16 valves, a port and polish all things being equal should cost less for the OHV since you need less materials... replacement OHVs are cheaper and easier to find as well if you ever do blow something up...
I'm with PJ I think a well built OHV could holds its own vs a DOHC. It all depends on how well you build the motor and what you can get your hands on. The disadvantage to the LN2 is that there isn't enough of a community for it and therefore not many parts. But who cares I think PJ will show many DOHC's up and I hope I'm not one of them
. I wouldn't have chagned to DOHC to be honest if it wasn't for how cheap i got it.
And also speed isn't everything. Because we are 4 cyl no matter how you look at it, we don't have many heads up classes for us so anyone who races usually will find themselves in a bracket class. From personal experience I have had a TWINCAM, ECOTEC, and 2200 motor before. The 2200 has done by far the best for me. It is much more consistent and reliable then my experience with the other 2 motors. OK I've said my share. Good luck PJ and to all that don't beleive........you'll see.
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Justin Cox
Today 12:41 PM
This is such a worthless posts to just start crap between the different trims
there already was crap between different trims since long before I got here... don't tell me you haven't seen it before.
I'm merely posting my discontent with the narrow minds on this website, alot of which is directed towards the 2.2 and 2200 OHV
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97cavie24ls(JDM cav sedan�) Online
Today 12:37 PM
if you cant take the constructive critism , get the hell out the engine compartment
constructive critisism is fine, but when people just talk out their ass it tends to annoy me.
Even when someone with an OHV has accomplished something great, they catch flak for using the OHV instead of the 2.4 or ecotec... cut me a break can't you people just give credit where its due?
I have resepct for any car thats fast, whether it Jbody, Cobalt, Sentra, Civic, Pinto, I don't care what it is if it's fast it gets respect...
I don't care what engine it has under the hood, but apparently some of the people on this site seem to think that because its an OHV it doesn't deserve respect at all, ever...
that's horse@!#$.
The more I cruise the org, and post, and interact with some of its characters the less I want to be associated with this community.
And what happens when you voice your opinion contrary to the popular idea of the masses? You're called a "whiner" and a "baby".
Understand this ladies and gentlemen: No two engines are created on the same level however mods are the great equalizer.
The OHV might require more mods to make faster than a twin cam, but the satisfaction received from shutting most of you up is more than worth it.
and contrary to popular belief, its not always more money per mod. since the OHV has only 8 valves, and the twin cams have 16 valves, a port and polish all things being equal should cost less for the OHV since you need less materials... replacement OHVs are cheaper and easier to find as well if you ever do blow something up...
you gotta understand its posts just like this 1 that cause alot of the problems , and arguing between the motor groups around here
so instead of being constructive yourself about the ohv's , you are just adding fuel to the fire !!
a fast car is a fast car no matter what it is
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a fast car is a fast car no matter what it is
I couldn't have said it any better!!
I like my 2200 ... it's always done good by me. I've had the car for about 6 years now and never had any problems at all.
i'm faster than my friends LN2... but my friend is quicker than my LD9
HOW???
easy... straight line i smoke him... but.. we both autoX we both have a fully setup suspension for autox.... the only differences are... i am on summer tires and he is on R compounds... i have the LD9 and he has the LN2
his times around the course was 2seconds faster than mine... the we switch cars to see what would happen... we matched each others best times.
so you see... the LN2 can be very competitive.... if set up and built properly.
-JaysonZ24- wrote: Performance for price, its much cheaper to buy a used Ld9 engine and swap it in, than it is to do anymod to a ln2.
I will have to disagree. For a 2.4 swap, you will need the 2.4 longblock, transmission, coolant hoses, wiring harness, ecu, fuel lines, exhaust, starter, intake, etc...
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built rear-end,Dodge Viper spec T56 6 speed, bolt-ons = wheelies at the track!!!!!
making fun of the 2.2 ohv is like tossing midgets, maybe its not right but it is fun
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275hp & 306tq - 1999 2.2 ohv
13.2 @ 108 mph
-1996 2.4 liter + Turbo + Built motor + Torco + More boost = Lots o' Power
-2000 Mustang GT + 2004 Cobra motor, Whipple 2.3 supercharger,
built rear-end,Dodge Viper spec T56 6 speed, bolt-ons = wheelies at the track!!!!!
yes i am one of those idiots with a 2.2 3 speed...
but within the next month, i will have a 5 speed..
but i must admit...these 2.2 's can take a hell of a beating...
243k miles...
sigh ...2.4 what?
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ill agree any car thats fast is worth respecting. But a high 15 second turbo charged car is not fast. The work you put into the car to get it there is respectable. But the engine is not. If you were running 13's that would be fast and respectable. Then again how many 2.2L or 2200 are in the 13's?
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i dont think squirrel is boosted...and hes in 15's with his 2200...
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95cavblue is right... PJ, (the flying squirrel)'s car is NOT turbo charged. (being his girlfriend, i know this fact.haha)
and you all say that a 15 second car is not respectable, but PJ's car all motor, is a full second faster than when it was stock. ...any of you ecotec owners do that?...so give pj props. ...a-holes.
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Today 5:07 PM
ill agree any car thats fast is worth respecting. But a high 15 second turbo charged car is not fast. The work you put into the car to get it there is respectable. But the engine is not. If you were running 13's that would be fast and respectable. Then again how many 2.2L or 2200 are in the 13's?
when did my car get turbocharged?
last I checked "turbo setup" was in my future mods...
you might want to read next time you read
PJ's in the 15's all motor.... ported head with a stock bottom end with 60K miles, and then an intake, header, exhaust, and mounts. Now he paid a shop to do the work to his head, so it cost a decent amount of money (but i'll be damned if it wasn't quality work). A self port (not hard on an 8 valve head) costs about $60 for a porting kit , then maybe $200-$300 to get it milled and get the valve done.. So all in all his setup is right about as fast as an LS Sport 2003-up (comparing to average times) with a setup that could be duplicated for cheap. Plus he runs on price-club tires and steelies lol. That car has a 15.5, maybe even lower, in it with better traction.
Granted, i too have seen turbo OHV guys on here running 15's.... but if you notice their trap speeds, normally they're up there around 98 mph.... which is good for a 14.0 and translates to the fact that someone needs a lot of practice at the track.
Take Cavattack, even with a boost leak and cracked manifold, he was trapping 98+ mph at the Bash, but only running high 14's... when you're judging a CAR based on 1/4 mile, you have to judge it on trap speed, not ET. ET is a result of the driver, speed is a result of the drivetrain. Take for instance all those a-holes in cobalt ss's running high 15's, some even 16's, with 92 and 93 mph trap speeds.... now, is the 2.0 s/c an inferior engine? No, some of you twin cam guys would be very quick to blame it on the driver. Why so quick to blame slow ET's on the engine when its an OHV then?
Anyway, once i finish the fine tuning on the setup in the Beetle, hopefully by mid-fall, i'm going to be buying a 2.2 and setting out to beat any previous all motor OHV street-car records, and the project cost will be cheaper than a comparative Eco project. I'll document it all the way, and publish it when i'm done. And then all of the twincam guys who are slower than me will nitpick the technicalities of it to death, just to make themselves feel better about an "inferior" engine being quicker than them.
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^^^ Well said Jay.
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