-JaysonZ24- wrote:i dont think anyone here doesnt agree than the Ln2 motor can be made. With any car it can be done. But unless you like dumping tons of money into a car that you will never get back and still be pretty slow, im gonna always tell people not to bother modding it. Performance for price, its much cheaper to buy a used Ld9 engine and swap it in, than it is to do anymod to a ln2.
I used to own a 95 2.2L, it sucked and was slow. The engine ate 2 head gaskets within 30,000 miles. Lots of problems and a very slow engine.
as i remember you did alot of things half arsed as well when you first got here.
dont need tons of money.... alot of times if you use common sense and knowledge you can offset the money a great deal.
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ill agree any car thats fast is worth respecting. But a high 15 second turbo charged car is not fast. The work you put into the car to get it there is respectable. But the engine is not. If you were running 13's that would be fast and respectable. Then again how many 2.2L or 2200 are in the 13's?
cars that arent fast are worth respecting as well. thats like me saying when you posted some stupid crap before... well hes not smart, so hes not worth respecting. pretty F-ed up in my view.
high 15 second cars can be fast, especially (not saying j-bodies) other cars that may run 19's and 20's.... they are fast from what they came from and for cars in their leagues.
you cant just say all cars in general that run 15 seconds arent fast. basically if we compare cars with different cars in different levels, then no street car is fast... wouldnt matter if you ran 10;s or 9;s, unless you can do 4;s like the top fuels, its not really fast.
but only idiots would compare street cars to full blown race cars...and so forth. you gotta compare cars in the same league really.
also on being fast. i;ve seen a crap load of cars that barely run 15;s, but tear it up in autoX. you can be fast in one class, but not another... not everyone here runs in a straight line.
also, on the title. i thought someone figured out a way to make their j-bodies transform like voltron or something.
Man I see a lot of hate here and stuff.
There is a comment here from a chick that I didn't appreciate at all towards the Eoctec owners!!!! PLURAL!!
I am one of them and I don;t think I deserve it.
I have owned it all man OHV 3 speed LD9 4 speed LD9 5 speed, Nitrous, Turbo
Ecotec 5 speed Nitrous Turbo now.
I don't wanna state my opinion because the cheapest way of being fast is the way I am going right now and if I said it it would piss off people even more.
Someone said they are gonna beat up BAAAAD on LD9's and L61's???
With OHV???
Bring it this is to whoever wants some.
I am not talking shnit, but if you people can do it so can I??
Let me see ONE OHV coming close to my traps and ET's but Adler and maybe that one guy in the black Sunfire with easy $10,000+ in it.
My motor is STOCK@!!.
So what now???
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Funny thread but i have a ohv too. And I can hang with most 2.4's an newer 2.2's. I would rather have a new 2.2 (eco) but I have what i have and I am making the most out of it, for now.
EvansvilleJBody.net wrote:I'll probably get flamed but I believe a LN2 could be quick as long as it doesnt have the 3spd. Only option that would make it fall flat on its face.
Haha, wow, I'd LOVE to hear the logic behind that one...
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SunCavi_L61T3/T04E wrote:
Let me see ONE OHV coming close to my traps and ET's but Adler and maybe that one So what now???
close...
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and did it N/A no boost or nitrous.....what now?
TheFlyingSquirrel (PJ) wrote:The more I cruise the org, and post, and interact with some of its characters the less I want to be associated with this community.
That's why just about everyone who's had a truly fast J doesn't frequent this site.
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OHV notec wrote:EvansvilleJBody.net wrote:I'll probably get flamed but I believe a LN2 could be quick as long as it doesnt have the 3spd. Only option that would make it fall flat on its face.
Haha, wow, I'd LOVE to hear the logic behind that one...
seriously, i would as well.... its starting to seem not much thought, logic, or research is ever put into posts anymore
3 speed cars in the 13;s
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i believe joe almeida was as well.
and theres a few locals easily in the low 14;s
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Man I see a lot of hate here and stuff.
There is a comment here from a chick that I didn't appreciate at all towards the Eoctec owners!!!! PLURAL!!
I am one of them and I don;t think I deserve it.
I have owned it all man OHV 3 speed LD9 4 speed LD9 5 speed, Nitrous, Turbo
Ecotec 5 speed Nitrous Turbo now.
I don't wanna state my opinion because the cheapest way of being fast is the way I am going right now and if I said it it would piss off people even more.
i would assume that's me.
i have an ecotec myself. which doesn't make it ok, but the eco people are bashing my boyfriend. i gotta stick up for him
all he's trying to say is the 2.4 and eco guys are being jerky towards the OHV guys. when all in all, guess what we're all driving?... j-bodies! gasp.
...so whats the deal? this is a jbody organization, where we're all supposed to help eachother and share crap with eachother, and everyone has to go and think they're better because they bought a newer J ..with a faster engine...stock.
..so? obviouslly...youre going to be faster!!!!!! HOLY @#$# ?!?
if everyone would just take note to the people who do real work to their cars, and put a lot of hard time into them..maybe this place would be nicer.
sounds lame, but it's freakin true.
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I don't get it. I have been visiting this site for a couple of years now. Maybe this trash talking has been going on on threads that I simply never read before because I always thought J owners were a pretty tight group. 2.4, 2200, 2.2, 2.3 who cares. Like Event said you want to compare engines go ahead but keep them in their own class, but lets not rise above based on engine power. Hell, if I wanted to do this I would have bought an import. I bought a Sunfire because it was cheap to buy and drive...I kept it because I discovered I enjoyed modifying it. If it was solely about speed and beating the next guy I'd simply write a check to the salesman.The people here have saved my a$$ more than once after I messed something up. Never did they ask if I drive a 2200 or a 2.4 before deciding whether to help me.
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Dam-it Muffins (Event) wrote:SunCavi_L61T3/T04E wrote:
Let me see ONE OHV coming close to my traps and ET's but Adler and maybe that one So what now???
close...
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and did it N/A no boost or nitrous.....what now?
OH!!!! @!#$in owned!
And you will be owned again next year too, mark my words you cocky ass
No but seriously, who cares??
I mean come on, it doesn't matter, it all depends on how you build your engine, period
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My motor is STOCK@!!. So what now???
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And I know people who run 12.4's while trapping 107.... in a car not too far off from yours in weight, so what now? The thing that we're trying to say is that an OHV can be competive with an ECO and/or 2.4 for similar pricing. Now note that since my realm of expertise is in drag racing, whenever i say fast, it applies to street cars at the track, and the averages that I've seen. Your car is fast, but for the power you're making, its actually pretty slow. Many cars with less power run faster, hence, an OHV wouldn't have to make as much power as you to run a similar ET. And depending on the differences in reaction times and 60' times, even if it ran a slower ET than you it could still beat you in a head to head race. But I digress. Yes, your motor is stock, but who knows how long it will last that way. Granted, the eco is pretty strong, so you probably won't have problems for a while. But 250whp is very close to that ragged edge of 280 bhp or so that GM found was the breaking point for the connecting rods, is it not?
I think what PJ is trying to say ask is just why is there such disrespect for the OHV? Why do people who have NEVER OWNED one go around in this forum saying how its a "money pit" and a "waste of time"? Then, some young, impressionable newbie, who might not know any better but it relying on a voice of "experience" to help him learn, takes up the same opinion, a false opinion at that. The majority of people on this board with a 2.4 and a supercharger run mid to high 14's. Totally attainable with a stock OHV bottom end as long as its maintained properly. Sure there are a lot of 2.4's and Eco's in the 13's, but if every one of those guys tallied up every dollar spent on their project it would come out to a lot more than most people think. Little stuff adds up. You're not going to turbo an ecotec, and run 12's at a strip, for less than 3 grand. Because besides the engine, you need tires, a suspension, etc. Even if you don't need them you'll spend money there anyway because this is your hobby and what else are you going to spend money on? If i took the $1-2000 some of you guys dump into STEREO equipment, I could make an OHV that runs 14's. All motor. Add your average engine budget of another $2-3000, and look, i've got a built engine, turbo OHV that can lay waste to the vast majority of 2.4 and Eco guys on this site. All for what most of you spend on stereo equipment and engine mods. Now factor in the fact that i can buy a 95 OHV cav for $1500-2000, whereas any of you eco guys probably paid between $6K (if you got them at the end of the model year in 05) and $14K.... and thats another FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS IN MY POCKET that i can spend on mods.
Now for the stockish eco/2.4 guys.... So we're stupid for wanting to spend some money on an OHV? You spent $4000 more for that extra 40 hp, and you still run 15's I could take that extra $4000 i didn't spend on the car and, oh look i'm repeating myself.... Sure, is it easy to make 300+ hp on an OHV? No, but to make a respectably fast street/strip car, when a Cav only weighs about 2500 lbs, it doesn't take that much power. 220-250 hp, an attainable goal with a built, turbo OHV, will damn well cost a lot less than $4000 if you don't spend your money stupidly. So really, any economic argument you have is null and void. And if someone bought their OHV new? Well, maybe it was what they could afford at the time, and now, they're stuck with it, and trading it in for an eco or 2.4 would still incur a financial loss, only to run 15's... so why bother?
Now i'll sit back and wait for arguments from people who haven't even bothered to read the whole long winded thread and will inevitably take something out of context and try and "call" me on it.... Tally Ho!
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I'm one pissed off LN2 owner on a mission to destroy most, if not all DOHC jbodies
Ha so your gonna run 11's? good luck look at the honour roll the times are pathetic comparatively to the eco and twin cam you'll prolly be lucky to get into the 14's after dumping your bank account into it. This is a worthless post. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS LN2's ARE JUST NOT AS FAST AS LD9'S you can build them up but be honest with yourself your claim is outrageous there have been twin cams with 400+whp not ohvs though.
Hang on i just saw this and had to say something...
WHERE ARE THE 2.4 AND ECO J-BODIES RUNNING 11's????
Last I checked the fastest J on this forum is Frank, and he has a 3800 V6 turbo... Last I checked, he's the ONLY one in the 11's that isn't a full corporate sponsored drag car. Last i checked V6 powered j-bodies dominate the 12 second category, not 2.4's and Eco's. How many street driven eco's and 2.4's are in the 12's? Not a whole hell of a lot, and they didn't get there cheaply either. So how about be honest with your own claims before telling someone else to be?
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ok did i say anything about PJs car? No i said a 15 second turbo charged car wasnt respectable, as far as speed goes. Ive seen turbocharged ln2s running 15s on here. I did say that the work put into a 2200 to make a 15 second car was respectable. I dont think it was worth the money, but i can respect someone who does what they want to do, no matter what others say. I know ive said my fair share of stupid things, i dont see why that was brought up anyways, but whatever makes you feel better in a discussion.
Heres what i think
-A 15 second car is not fast
-the Ln2 is a slow/weak engine thats prone to breaking, i had one for 3 years, i hated it.
-I respect any amount of effort put into a car, key words i respect the effort put into them. Theres a difference between that and the actual car.
-I wont respect a 15 second car for being fast, that doesnt mean i dont respect the car.
-I think the Ln2 isnt worth moding, but if you want to mod it, thats your choice.
-Finally i realise that everyone has there own opinions, sometimes i like them, sometimes i dont. If i dont like someone elses opinion i just accept it. I dont try to force them to like my idea more.
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Rodimus Prime wrote:making fun of the 2.2 ohv is like tossing midgets, maybe its not right but it is fun
At least people with 2200's don't put close to six grand in there car to run a second slower in the 1/4 mile.
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Former 2200 owner here. Current Eco owner.
The 2200 is a Slug. period. yes it can be "made fast", but so can the eco. The 2200 is insanely reliable, however. As much as I loved it when I had it, I've seen the light.
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Its dry sumped, Hilborn injected and every bit as cool as it looks..
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-JaysonZ24- wrote:ok did i say anything about PJs car? No i said a 15 second turbo charged car wasnt respectable, as far as speed goes. Ive seen turbocharged ln2s running 15s on here. I did say that the work put into a 2200 to make a 15 second car was respectable. I dont think it was worth the money, but i can respect someone who does what they want to do, no matter what others say. I know ive said my fair share of stupid things, i dont see why that was brought up anyways, but whatever makes you feel better in a discussion.
Heres what i think
-A 15 second car is not fast
-the Ln2 is a slow/weak engine thats prone to breaking, i had one for 3 years, i hated it.
-I respect any amount of effort put into a car, key words i respect the effort put into them. Theres a difference between that and the actual car.
-I wont respect a 15 second car for being fast, that doesnt mean i dont respect the car.
-I think the Ln2 isnt worth moding, but if you want to mod it, thats your choice.
-Finally i realise that everyone has there own opinions, sometimes i like them, sometimes i dont. If i dont like someone elses opinion i just accept it. I dont try to force them to like my idea more.
your past comments were brought up only for example.... granted everyone has said stupid stuff, even myself, everyone has potential to improve...same with all cars... thats the analogy/correlation i am getting at.
when i said as an example about you also thought ebay electric superchargers were good, thank god something steered you for the REAL deal
you improved. 2.2ohv's are usually 18 second cars. some low to mid 17's...
a 15 second car is fast, depending on the class it runs in. in europe, like posted there are plenty of cars that have troubles reaching 70mph, much less making a 20+ second run. if you dropped 10 seconds off the car, its fast.... for what it is...
its like if you weigh 150 lbs, and bench 300, you bench double your weight you are strong pound for pound than most people. even me, i weight about 295, but bench a bit over 400... not near double, but still total wise, its stronger than you...but pound for pound and you;d be stronger than me by far... thats when you looks at classes per person. similar to classes per car.
no ones forcing you like like their ideas, just putting out some food for thought.
personally i feel if you improve in ANY degree its respectable.... i dont put guidelines on respect.
thats true....
right when you think theres a best someone does something better.... and you can take something thats not supposed to be a front runner and make it one...
a few people have said it in this post..... its not really the engine you have, its what you do with it....
kinda like the saying with sex, its not how big the ship is, its how you steer it and use it when it goes into the canal
bigger doesnt mean anything if its used like a comatose piece of fruit and just sits there... (anyone who knows the "dollar, quarter, dime, dime" routine can back me on this)
personally, if it were a perfect world, i'd change me engine weekly between the 3...
after having the chance to work on all three all have their advantages and weak points.
hell even my opel with a v6 2.5 has advantages and weak points and its a bigger engine than anything here really.
but like J.cox said, its the time and knowledge you put into things that really determine the output of it.
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you're starting with a deficit with pushrods and 2 valves per cylinder...
Everything is a tradeoff.
A good 4 valve/ cylinder head generally outflows a 2 valve head, 'tis true.
But a DOHC engine costs 2x as much when you want a larger cam.
And 4 valves/ cylinder cost more to fix if you make a mistake.
And oiling issues on the 2.4 engines seem to require a fair amount of work to fix. Somebody with a boosted 2.4 wanna mention which bearing is usually the first to go?
Quad 4 engines used to pop head gaskets all the time. Was once a fact of life. Means they're all junk? No, they're just engines with a particular set of tradeoffs.
PJ, don't get bitter. After all, you're driving a J car. In the minds of most of the hotrod and muscle car guys, you're in the same class as a ricer Honda. Look on the 2nd gen forum and see how many guys are screaming "V6 or nothing!" at people asking about modding a 2.0 or 2.2. You're in the minority, in a group that's not taken too seriously. So have fun, build that killer engine, and get the respect your 2.2 deserves.
If you do it right, people will be like "Well, you want to build a fast 2.2, ok. PJ has one, but I still wouldn't do it." Then you'll know you've made your point.
If it makes ya feel better some of the old, old timers with the "hot rods" think anything made after 1950 is junk! lol... I guess my 67 Chevelle SS clone is junk.
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