-JaysonZ24- wrote:-the Ln2 is a slow/weak engine thats prone to breaking

I don't know many people that have had regualar problems with the LN2, if any.
But, you're talking the 2.4 up, how's that #3 rod bearing, eh?


PJ, anyone who thinks the LN2 so inferior to the DOHCs obviously isn't a rational person, so why do you care what they think?


Everyone, look at it this way...
LN2 stock: 115-120
LD9 stock: 155ish
L61 (right?) stock: 150ish
after a 200 shot of the NAAAWWSS:
315-320
355ish
350ish
Do you really think you're going to miss those few ponies? NO! Just go fry some Hondas and represent your platform.



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ahh.. since my post was ignored I'll say we did 12.7 in the HALF MILE.. now lets see who pays attention.. lol





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RoboGeek wrote:ahh.. since my post was ignored I'll say we did 12.7 in the HALF MILE.. now lets see who pays attention.. lol

Haha, but I did 11.4 in the FULL MILE
JK, that's beautiful robo, not sell it to me for $.02.
How much does that thing weigh anyhow? I think some people around here have a set of rims that would weigh more


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RoboGeek wrote:ahh.. since my post was ignored I'll say we did 12.7 in the HALF MILE.. now lets see who pays attention.. lol

nah wasnt ignored, bubbleguts just left here and thats what we spent the last 20 min talking about.

i take it thats a 3 inch outlet?

2200....what a piece of @!#$ that is...

more power to the guys putting the time, effort, and money into their motors...I've had this car for 3 years, granted thats not as long as prolly half of you have owned yours, and it's never really given me any problems but it's time to lay it to rest. It will never be as fast as some of the turboed ecos running around florida with the same dollar amounts spent.i hate my motor and can't wait till i get my new eco in and have that turboed.....just my two cents

so you're telling me that for $1000+ dollars to swap an eco, then another $2-3K for a turbo, you don't think you could build the 2200 to be just as fast.... man people around here must be really bad with math....

And it really seems like people forget to figure in the cost of the car when they're talking about these things... if you got the car for cheaper, thats less money on the project. Including the car, i've spent $11,700 to run high 13's in the bug. I know i can do the same for a lot cheaper in a phase one 3rd gen with a 2.2 OHV.

Speed has a cost, thats a fact. But no one ever said it had to cost money. Blood, sweat, tears, time, and research are the great equalizers.




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for the same amount of money. no, i don't think it can be done.

got moose? wrote:for the same amount of money. no, i don't think it can be done.

its cool if you wanna do it in an ecotec, by all means, i;ll root for ya to do so....

but it can be done....

for example,

4000$ to work with.....

a decent engine rebuild on a 2.2ohv should cost around 2000$ (which is what mine ended up being, and thats with assembly, specs, lightening, etc....)

2000$ to spend else where....

the price range will rise for your rebuild because the 1000$ you spend, is just for stock stuff....

the 2-3000$ you add on will not be for a rebuilt engine, but for a turbo and a good set bolt ons....


so in reality, depending on how you shop, you will prob pay more than what it would cost in a 2.2ohv....

its not a good or bad thing, its more a "whachyouwannado" thing

an example of doing stuff low budget is like scrufs car i posted on page 2 or 3.... he did alot of work himself, which cut down on alot of misc costs, like porting and polishing the head, nitrous, etc....


all i am saying on that though, for everyone who says "it cant be done" someone will do it.

^ when you figure in the cost for a swap then yes, i would agree with you event. but the same dollar amounts thrown at both engines for rebuild/performance parts and what not.....i believe the eco would come out over the 2200. now of course there will always be the ppl who will be able to do some of the work themselves cutting down the costs drastically but if you were to keep everything level, if you know what i mean.....i don't want to start a pissing match over which engine is better cuz there's numerous threads for that. there are a few fast 2200s out there and thats awesome more power to em!

Event your comparing the price of a swap......which I can understand may be more altogehter but the best and maximum results will be achieved with an LD9.....I would never have bought a 2.2 LN2 cavy it would not have been worth my time hell I dont want to be scared getting onto the highway with a full load and AC on....its simple fact that the LN2 is not as good as the 2.4L yes you can make your car quick but the 2.4 is simply going to outperform with the same money and time dumped into it......nothing is impossible except a LN2 beating me N/A .....


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^^ good lord, with a claim like that i hope your registry is out of date..... cuz if 15.98 is your fastest i can already name 2 LN2's that are faster than you N/A




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Scarab (Jersey Jay 1.8T) wrote:^^ good lord, with a claim like that i hope your registry is out of date..... cuz if 15.98 is your fastest i can already name 2 LN2's that are faster than you N/A

Yeah, seriously, Event listed three already, plus PJ, and who knows how many others that just don't like hard-headed people on this board...LIKE YOU!


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I am OWNED???Since when is 13.6 for ONLY LN2 close to 13.1 and you say he is N/A so there what.
He is with fully built motor and stuff, high ass compression and didn't scrufdog or whatever run also about 1.8 or so, so that is close to my time too.

Dude this guys traps 100, I trap 111.
I am not talking shnit, but you think you own me.
ONE MORE TIME, there are some OHV's that will beat up one me who can for right now?? NOONE!!!

Beatle guy, you say my time sucks, yea it is something called traction, and I just fixed that and need some shocks so I WILL show you 12.50's @ 111mph in the near future and then YOU ALLA CAN SAY 13.9 is close to my 12.5 or 13.6 blows me out of the water. lmao

Cocky OHV owners.



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yo you need to step back and learn how to read. I never said your time sucked, and i never said that my time, or Adler's was faster than your time. What i said was that in a REAL race, ie: a heads up drag race, the difference between your current best and his isn't enough where you're guaranteed to beat him. I beat people across the traps who have better ET's than mine all the time. And where did i say anything about "ownage" ?

Here's the only part of my post that was directed at you:

Quote:

And I know people who run 12.4's while trapping 107.... in a car not too far off from yours in weight, so what now? The thing that we're trying to say is that an OHV can be competive with an ECO and/or 2.4 for similar pricing. Now note that since my realm of expertise is in drag racing, whenever i say fast, it applies to street cars at the track, and the averages that I've seen. Your car is fast, but for the power you're making, its actually pretty slow. Many cars with less power run faster, hence, an OHV wouldn't have to make as much power as you to run a similar ET. And depending on the differences in reaction times and 60' times, even if it ran a slower ET than you it could still beat you in a head to head race. But I digress. Yes, your motor is stock, but who knows how long it will last that way. Granted, the eco is pretty strong, so you probably won't have problems for a while. But 250whp is very close to that ragged edge of 280 bhp or so that GM found was the breaking point for the connecting rods, is it not?

Now if you actually took the time to read and understand the whole thing, I said that your ET is not that fast WHEN ITS COMPARED TO YOUR TRAP SPEED. My intention was to illustrate that for all that power you're so proud to be making, you can't put a good portion of it to the ground. You say "cocky OHV owners" but you're the one who posts about how impossible it would be to beat you, and as of right now you can't even drive your car to its fullest potential on your current setup.




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SMCAVALIER with out his turbo is faster with his LN2 then the twin cams now hes built it up but still. i have owned 2 LN2s and 1 LD9 and personally i have better luck with an LN2.

i'm working on one right now

beside i think the 2.4 is weaker you hear of more 2.4s blowing up at lower km then 2.2 aswell there trannys



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SunCavi_L61T3/T04E wrote:I am OWNED???Since when is 13.6 for ONLY LN2 close to 13.1 and you say he is N/A so there what.
He is with fully built motor and stuff, high ass compression and didn't scrufdog or whatever run also about 1.8 or so, so that is close to my time too.

Dude this guys traps 100, I trap 111.
I am not talking shnit, but you think you own me.
ONE MORE TIME, there are some OHV's that will beat up one me who can for right now?? NOONE!!!

Beatle guy, you say my time sucks, yea it is something called traction, and I just fixed that and need some shocks so I WILL show you 12.50's @ 111mph in the near future and then YOU ALLA CAN SAY 13.9 is close to my 12.5 or 13.6 blows me out of the water. lmao

Cocky OHV owners.

dude nothing personal, but for the past few years, i;ve seen you say, i;m gonna do this, i;m gonna do that, and so far alot of the stuff you;ve posted where... i;ll be running 12's.....

if you havent done it yet, then really quite simply you havent done it.

karo has done it, and i;ve seen it.
frank...yes
speed racerZ...yes


not saying you cant do it, but as of yet, like dominos your over your delivery time you estimated.



you seem to be so worked up about someone saying "you;re owned" that you gotta predict this and that...

but lets take a simply logics lesson.

you run 13.1 according to your registry....

13.6 is pretty close to 13.1... its 5 tenths of a second. a person couldnt whip their johnson out if it was cack waving contest in that amount of time.

so YES, logic would say its pretty close.

13.9 as well. its closer to a full second, but still 8 tenths isnt bad for the amount of money that went into that car, vs the money you have put in your car, then changed to this, and then done that etc etc etc...

and not to mention that was done 4 years ago now?! basically when i see eco and 2.4 owners brag how their cars are mid 13 second cars, i sit there and wonder, wow... 2.2 ohvs were doing that nearly half a decade ago....

but really its all in who does their homework...




you were the one comming off as cocky, and you;re kinda doing the same now...

"i;ll run 12 fiddies"

but if you blow your engine will it just be a repeat of the past.


your trap speeds might be high, but drag racing is a race against another person, not a high speed run.

and yes i know trap speeds can tell you whats left in the car power wise and traction wise...but until its done, its speculation.

Wow so many cocky people out there. I'll tell you what. I bracket race all the time, I've been in the Summit Nationals Street ET challenge for the last 4 years. Just about everybody comes up to me shocked that I run 15's. And I haven't done a damn thing to the motor. Now granted most cars in the class run high 11's to low 13's but I don't care, it's bracket racing what matters how fast you are. And those guys still give me respect and say that for what my car is, that it is pretty fast. I don't think it is fast, I think it is amazing for a stock 4 cyl, but then again owning a bike makes almost all street cars feel slow.

My sig might say Asta La Vista OHV but that was a joke between me and some of my friends. When I was able to pick up a brand new 2005 Cavalier for $4,200 I couldn't pass it up. Hell at that price for it having zero miles I don't care what car it was I probably would have bought it. Also I never got rid of my OHV, my brother needed a car and now he is driving it. Once he gets out of high school then him and I together will continue with building the OHV. And I'll be honest we plan on boosting it, we don't plan on going crazy with it, but we expect to see high 13's to low 14's and I would be extremely happy with that. Especially considering we don't do weight reduction, and we want the car to be street legal. My goal for my ECO is high 12's to low 13's with the same concept and to me considering that my old OHV started in the 17's and my ECO started in the 15's in the end if we acheive our goals the OHV even being slower in ET it still made a larger improvement and I know our mods won't be far apart from each others.

My last statement hear is also another one that I hear at the track or pretty much anywhere I talk to car people. IT'S A DAMN FOUR CYL WHO GIVES A @!#$!!! And basically they are right. 8 cyl engines have much more available to them, they start out faster, end up faster, and if your goal was straight line performance to have the lowest E.T. a 4 cyl is not what we should be using. But I still choose it because I like what a 4 cyl is good at, and that is fuel economy.





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with that being said, before work however, i do think its impressive that you have taken a near 16 second car, and made it into a near 12 second car.

I cannot wait to actually get to the track with proper tires to just shut you ppl the hell up, I'm so sick of the delusional ppl that make comments about how they think my car runs a certain time or whatever when they have never seen it, they dont know about all the stereo stuff i have which weighs more than an angry Event, and they dont realize im running on heavy ass 17s.



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OHV notec wrote:
Haha, but I did 11.4 in the FULL MILE
JK, that's beautiful robo, not sell it to me for $.02.
How much does that thing weigh anyhow? I think some people around here have a set of rims that would weigh more

900lbs, weighed with driver

our 410 weighs 1200lbs with close to 800hp





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good lord, with a claim like that i hope your registry is out of date..... cuz if 15.98 is your fastest i can already name 2 LN2's that are faster than you N/A

That time was with too much tire pressure and just and intake, pullies and the header back done. I`ll be running 14's once my transmission is ready to go. that was my only track time..... This is growing old pretty fast already do what makes you happy if you like your car then fine but I'll be leaving OHV's behind me N/A atleast. show me an N/A LN2 that can run 14's...........
1. smcavalier, 15.698 @ 91.07
2. Bballjamal (Cav-AtL), 15.710 @ 89.64
3. TheFlyingSquirrel(PJ), 15.769 @ 85.59mph
4. blackcavygod, 15.879 @ 85.76
5. Anthony (Ant) Garcia, 15.978 @ 84.57


No where near the mark................


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coldairintake wrote:

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good lord, with a claim like that i hope your registry is out of date..... cuz if 15.98 is your fastest i can already name 2 LN2's that are faster than you N/A

That time was with too much tire pressure and just and intake, pullies and the header back done. I`ll be running 14's once my transmission is ready to go. that was my only track time..... This is growing old pretty fast already do what makes you happy if you like your car then fine but I'll be leaving OHV's behind me N/A atleast. show me an N/A LN2 that can run 14's...........
1. smcavalier, 15.698 @ 91.07
2. Bballjamal (Cav-AtL), 15.710 @ 89.64
3. TheFlyingSquirrel(PJ), 15.769 @ 85.59mph
4. blackcavygod, 15.879 @ 85.76
5. Anthony (Ant) Garcia, 15.978 @ 84.57


No where near the mark................

Hahahahahahahahahahaha, are you f-ing serious? Don't count your chickens before they've hatched buddy. If you haven't run a 14 yet, you've got ZERO right to be talkin smack.... especially since so far EVERYONE, yes EVERY SINGLE PERSON on the LN2 all motor honor roll has a better ET than you. I don't care what you think your car can run and neither does anyone else... if you haven't run it yet it doesn't mean jack. And if you took the time to analyze actual empirical evidence.... Smcavalier's trap speed is way higher than yours. In fact that trap of 91mph is more than good enough for a 14 second slip. Maybe he's having issues or something, i don't know, i don't know the guy so i won't speak for him. But bench racing doesn't count for crap once you actually get out to the track. Yeah, i used to say, "oh my car will run 13's soon blah blah blah, but you know what it ended up taking a good two months after i thought it would to actually do it. And i've had A LOT more practice time in my car than you have. I'm not saying you won't do it, in fact i hope you do. I have no malice against anyone here, even if they have a contradictory viewpoint, and even if they really find a way to piss me off, but until you run a 14 you're better off keeping your mouth shut before you make a fool of yourself.




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Rodimus Prime wrote:I cannot wait to actually get to the track with proper tires to just shut you ppl the hell up, I'm so sick of the delusional ppl that make comments about how they think my car runs a certain time or whatever when they have never seen it, they dont know about all the stereo stuff i have which weighs more than an angry Event, and they dont realize im running on heavy ass 17s.

Excuses are like a........

Well you know what I mean





................Which car will hit 400 whp first???................

you guys are so silly

what we need to do is take the engines out and see which one event can push down the quarter faster

Rodimus Prime wrote:I cannot wait to actually get to the track with proper tires to just shut you ppl the hell up, I'm so sick of the delusional ppl that make comments about how they think my car runs a certain time or whatever when they have never seen it, they dont know about all the stereo stuff i have which weighs more than an angry Event, and they dont realize im running on heavy ass 17s.

matt you gotta realize, you;ve made some statements in the past month that were totally ...

2 things you said that donovan picked up on...

- you said you ran the 16 second run at the bash on 3 cylinders......

-you also said you could take off the supercharger belt and run 14;s and i can quote that.

Quote:

I could take the damn blower belt off and run a 14sec pass if I just had the tires. I can't wait for that first 14 sec pass im going to make copies of it crush them into little balls and stick them up each and everyone's ass that is stupid enough to think I can't run a 14.

so basically you are saying that a 15.7 second car which i believe was your fastest time, with boltons, just boltons would be a 14 second car? tires can do a good amount, but if you look at the progression of your runs...

you were in the 15;s at jimmy Z;s cookout a 2 years ago or a year ago....

then you stripped the car when me and donovan were replacing nikkis moms headgasket, which you stopped by and said you ran 16.1 right there you already went backwards and you still had the 16;s in wheels and tires...

then after the S/C you ran 16.3 the same weekend it was installed, right? then 16.0 you said at the bash...on 3 cylinders.


people arent being delusional, people are merely going on the statements you have already made and the performance you have shown...

which is the same thing i pointed out to suncavi...

its like i can say, by years end, i will be benching 475 lbs, squatting close to 800, and dead lifting near 850.... but there are real life chances that wont happen...so until then, my personal bests are 445, 735, and 790.......

i can speculate and bench lift (similar to bench racing) all i want, however until i improve on those things, what i have done is all i have to show.




personally, i;m not much for bench racing....

when i get this i;ll def run etc etc etc.... thing is, when its done, let us know...when you run let us know....

cause if you dont reach your goal, then theres always the excuses...

-well my tires didnt grip...
-i'm not used to the transmission
-my suspension wasnt right for that track
- blah blah freakin blah (fill in blank)


me, i add stuff to the car, i run it... if i improve, i do, if not, i change stuff. its like everyone asking me how much power is gonna be outta my new engine.....really. i dont know. the stuff in it should improve things, but whatever i get i get..

if i get 5hp more, i;ll be more than fine with it.

coldairintake wrote: show me an N/A LN2 that can run 14's...........

1. smcavalier, 15.698 @ 91.07
2. Bballjamal (Cav-AtL), 15.710 @ 89.64
3. TheFlyingSquirrel(PJ), 15.769 @ 85.59mph
4. blackcavygod, 15.879 @ 85.76
5. Anthony (Ant) Garcia, 15.978 @ 84.57


No where near the mark................

wow....you listed 5 people who just happened to post in this post. when i have already posted a 13 second N/A car....2 times atleast.... but i;ll do it one more time JUST for you

http://members.aol.com/KWZ26/byronC.html

considering everyone who has ran 14 second N/A 2.2 ohvs dont post here, you gotta atleast factor in many dont even visit these forums. hell over the years i;ve posted vids of atleast 2 local ohv;s who were low 15 seconds from cecil county raceway when i went to record and bring along tools, which later became 14 second cars with weight reduction.

but like said, i;ve posted a 13.6 second N/A twice in this post already....3 if you count above.

so basically that would say, if you can do 13 seconds with a 2.2 ohv and in N/A then it really all depends on the effort, the time, money or knowhow for anyone else looking to reach that goal. SAME GOES FOR ANY ENGINE....granting one can set their ego aside thinking they are somewhat superior cause their displacement is bigger....

its not like some being or some god magically gave earth one fast 2.2 ohv and no more will ever be built.

so like said, if its already been done 13 seconds n/a then 14 seconds n/a is achievable for anyone who wants to take the time to do it.