what happened? we are still alive!!
Still seems the same to me, i've been around awile and seen a bunch of good builders go. Most still pop in and out, and if I need anything I can always find it here. Seems fine to me.
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I'd hate to use one of my last posts for this, but damn..
I'm gettin so sick of seeing ppl say that the j platform is dead... so f*cking what?? the cars are still rolling around, there's plenty of them out there. yea, they're not gonna live up to their muscle car ancestors but it doesnt mean that they should just be dismissed as some POS car. anyone here should realize the potential these cars have.. not bad-mouth them on their own forums. but I agree with whoever that was earlier.. eventually, the posers and ppl who dont give a sh*t will disappear and all that will be left will the the true enthusiasts, and that day cant come soon enough
and for the record, my first j-body was an '85 Cavi Z24 that I picked out myself.. it wasnt some hand-me-down or a cheap car my parents got me, 'cause my first car was a '73 Chevy Nova 350. I saw the Cavi, I liked it, it ran like a bull and wouldnt break down no matter what I did to it.. to me, thats a car worth its weight in gold and was probably one of the best car purchases I've ever made
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Darkstars wrote:Raptorws9 wrote:Whats the diff? U make it what u want it . That goes for anything.
your right, a '69 Camaro and a 95 Cavi are the same thing, my bad. I forgot they had the same level of popularity, same level of aftermarket stuff, the same size fallowing, both have a huge group of people who would love to own one, lots of people have posters and models of both cars in their bedrooms, both turn heads wherever they go, both are on t-shirts, hats, coats, etc. both are in magazines regularly, both are portrayed as "cool" cars......
are you @!#$ kidding me? Your actually asking what the difference is? Everything!
Your completely right about the rest of that though, you make it what you want it. You mod your car to make yourself happy and that all fine and dandy, that's the way it should be, but if 25 years of production hasn't earned them any respect or a major fallowing that's not going to change because they stopped making them. Be honest, how many people got their first cavalier because they WANTED one? most inherited it, picked it up for a decent price used, or even bought one new because the price was right. Back in 04 when I bought my first new car I got a Cav cause I couldn't afford a WRX at the time and I took it over the Neon because of better finacing. You make the best of what you have but that to the rest of the world it is what it is.... the J-body scene is never going to boom.
How many people can ever buy what they really WANT? If that were the case no one in the world would ever buy any kind of economy car...
Back to the original topic though. Even if a platform is no longer being made, that gives no reason that a forum devoting itself to that said platform still can't improve and become a better source of information for the people that are still interested in it.
And with how many J's were made over the years, that's even more reason for a forum like this to thrive as the platform becomes more outdated...
Both the J-bodies I've owned I bought because they where J-bodies lol
I bought my 93 Sunbird because it was a Sunbird..... I like those cars..... and since it had a 2.0 in it..... it was damn dear indestructible. That thing took every beating I gave it.... well until I smashed it.
Then I bought my Sunfire with the sole intent to modify it... I would have rather had a Z24, but I found the Sunfire cheap, and since it was an SE with a LD9 in it.... I couldnt resist.
And people are right about the aftermarket aspect and following of our cars.... its sad I know, but it's the truth. We just need to keep the market alive as long as we can... I'll be pissed if I'm one step away from finally finishing my car and I cant get parts for it anymore....
Thats why if I ever buy another car with the intent to hop it up and make it faster (and I'm sure I will)..... I'm going American V-8 rear wheel drive..... just because I know I'll always be able to get whatever I need for it.
But I still Love my Sunfire.
Mines approaching classic! And I contribute where I can on here with my know how.I sure love my 24 yr cav for sure.
Viper98912 wrote:I find it funny when people flip out and call it a dead platform and quote all the dead platforms of the past that are now popular.
People, this is (was) an economy car from a domestic auto maker. Musclecars cars were NOT built the same. Eagle (specifically the talon) was a DSM, and that had it own's following. Honda's practically created the sport compact scene (along with a few others) so they'll always be there.
Face it, you don't see people flipping out over ford escorts do you?
I'd rock this escort any day, I'd even pay the import fees to have it sea-canned if I had the money. And this is just an escort. Don't give me any of that "But that one's *SPECIAL*" BS, if people on this site think a 2.0L Turbo cobalt is still just a cobalt, then this is still just an Escort.
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Brad wrote:invalid argument.
back a when the Feiro's were in their time, the same thing could have been said about almost any car from the 70's and early 80's.
in the next 10-15 years, the same thing will be said about the J's. over time, that kind of thing will happen. hopefully, I'll still have a J in that time just so I can say "I own a classic, do you?"
k, have fun in 10-15 years trying to tell people that your j-body is a classic.
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WOW... seriously I love how on a "Cavalier" forum, there are douche bags hating on them... your a disgrace.
So there not instant classic's or may never be...
My cav gave me 7 and counting strong years of good memories, and freedom on the road, and became an extension of who I am based on my mods and dedication I put into it. Dead platform or not, I couldn't ask for anything else.
Serisouly, you don't like cavs, don't drive them, or just hate... GTFO, get a life.. seriously. Especially people who think the Penor got a little bigger from buyin a new car.
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Cart My Snot wrote:Viper98912 wrote:I find it funny when people flip out and call it a dead platform and quote all the dead platforms of the past that are now popular.
People, this is (was) an economy car from a domestic auto maker. Musclecars cars were NOT built the same. Eagle (specifically the talon) was a DSM, and that had it own's following. Honda's practically created the sport compact scene (along with a few others) so they'll always be there.
Face it, you don't see people flipping out over ford escorts do you?
I'd rock this escort any day, I'd even pay the import fees to have it sea-canned if I had the money. And this is just an escort. Don't give me any of that "But that one's *SPECIAL*" BS, if people on this site think a 2.0L Turbo cobalt is still just a cobalt, then this is still just an Escort.
You deserve some kind of metal for that post...
Smile! All things fade with time...
The word you want it medal ,there sir.
No one has anyway of saying this isnt a dead platform. Its not produced anymore. I think that classifies as dead. The F-body is a dead platform but its still popular. The reason Js wont be popular in 30 yrs is because there isnt anything special about them. Given I love my car I wont sell it til it dies but Im not going to kid myself and pretends its something special. I can walk through a Walmart parking lot and pick out 6 cars that look similar to mine with the same options and everything. Can anyone say that about a 60's Camaro? People still drive 70's Chrysler K cars but its not like anyone cares when they see it. Because it was cookie cutter mass produced car.
im a douche cause guys our cars are pos. their cheap econemy cars, ive dumped over 30k into mine and i still realise it is what it is. it is a dead platform. their not being made. traffic at this site has slowed down tons just in the last 3 years or so. most of the forums you can look at every 3 days and keep up with whats going on, a few years ago if u went 3 days, the posts you looked at were on page 2 or 3 by then. its just the way it is. back in the day stuff was new so people were posting up about it every day. but after a few years ago your to the point where you just say " hey, its been posted 100x, just do some searching and youlle find yoru answer" this wasnt a rare sports car, this wasnt a horsepower monster or a racing spirited car, its an econobox. if you love it, great, but try to realise its just an econobox.
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TheSundownFire wrote:The word you want it medal ,there sir.
No one has anyway of saying this isnt a dead platform. Its not produced anymore. I think that classifies as dead. The F-body is a dead platform but its still popular. The reason Js wont be popular in 30 yrs is because there isnt anything special about them. Given I love my car I wont sell it til it dies but Im not going to kid myself and pretends its something special. I can walk through a Walmart parking lot and pick out 6 cars that look similar to mine with the same options and everything. Can anyone say that about a 60's Camaro? People still drive 70's Chrysler K cars but its not like anyone cares when they see it. Because it was cookie cutter mass produced car.
The word you want is 'is' there sir
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sndsgood wrote:im a douche cause guys our cars are pos. their cheap econemy cars, ive dumped over 30k into mine and i still realise it is what it is. it is a dead platform. their not being made. traffic at this site has slowed down tons just in the last 3 years or so. most of the forums you can look at every 3 days and keep up with whats going on, a few years ago if u went 3 days, the posts you looked at were on page 2 or 3 by then. its just the way it is. back in the day stuff was new so people were posting up about it every day. but after a few years ago your to the point where you just say " hey, its been posted 100x, just do some searching and youlle find yoru answer" this wasnt a rare sports car, this wasnt a horsepower monster or a racing spirited car, its an econobox. if you love it, great, but try to realise its just an econobox.
Your completely right.
But the difference is its ok for you to say it because you have a nice J..... but I'm an @!#$ for saying it because I sold my J's and I now have a Honda.
I don't understand why so many people get butt hurt at the fact that there is nothing special about a J-body and there never will be. No one is telling you not mod your car or enjoy it, were simply saying they were never popular cars and they never will be, they will always be seen as low end cheap cars, fleet cars for rental companies and driving schools, they may become classics by age but a Cavalier is never going to be viewed as a classic car, its never going to become a collectors car... that's just the way it is. Quit @!#$ crying about it and move on with lives, go back to driving and modifying the car YOU like and quit worry about what everyone else thinks.
Ur an #$$bag. I had a honda and went 2 J's cause it takes more to make them what u want. I have had every fbody but a 60's. I have an 02 TRANS AM that I love driving but its not one of a kind. there every were. J's take alot more to make them what u want.SO SORRY U TOOK THE EASY WAY OUT. have fun, go to the store and bye a box of KOTEX EXTRA LARGE and plug ur hole. Ur honda isn't that great cause ur not out driving it. Ur up here with people that give .02 about there cars and other people that are the sameway.
Life is to short 4 bulls#*$.
Willpower is no match 4 horsepower!
Raptorws9 wrote:Ur an #$$bag. I had a honda and went 2 J's cause it takes more to make them what u want. I have had every fbody but a 60's. I have an 02 TRANS AM that I love driving but its not one of a kind. there every were. J's take alot more to make them what u want.SO SORRY U TOOK THE EASY WAY OUT. have fun, go to the store and bye a box of KOTEX EXTRA LARGE and plug ur hole. Ur honda isn't that great cause ur not out driving it. Ur up here with people that give .02 about there cars and other people that are the sameway.
you're a @!#$ tool. take a look at the j's he's built, then come back and re-read your post to him.
and by your logic, none of your cars are that great either, because "you're not out driving them."
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Um... Camaros where cookie cutter mass produced cars as well.
The only real "special" thing I can think of about J-bodies (LD9 and L61 powered ones anyway) Is that there not hard to make fast. There probably the most powerful American economy cars you could get off the show room floor at the time.
You could get a cheap cavy.... and but some cams, intake, and exhaust in it, and have a car thats as fast or faster than a more expensive Mustang.
The only special thing I can think of about and LN2 powered one is how damn reliable most of them are.
Sure there not special.... but mine is
and so are a lot of them that belong to people on this site.... what makes them special... is whats done to them.
And since we're talking about hondas (nothing against you ryan) it makes me think of the JDM
With the exception of a Skyline GTR and some others (.... most the sought after performance cars in japan are small 4 bangers (the american Idea of a POS)
At most... you'll see an inline 6
I bet people in japan would think theres something special about a Z24.... just think if they came with turbo's from the factory.....
But all of this is stupid and none of it matters... so any analogies I make will be stupid.
Just to try to end the argument..... Just look at a lot of 9 second cars you see at drag strips... some of them are station wagons... or 75 Cordobas... stuff like that.... there's nothing special about them either.... but they built something out of them anyway and compete against the 69 Chargers and Camaros.... on an equal level.....
The ONLY difference between those cars and our is that those cars are built with parts that have a masssive never ending aftermarket... and ours dont.
RuggedZ wrote:Raptorws9 wrote:Ur an #$$bag. I had a honda and went 2 J's cause it takes more to make them what u want. I have had every fbody but a 60's. I have an 02 TRANS AM that I love driving but its not one of a kind. there every were. J's take alot more to make them what u want.SO SORRY U TOOK THE EASY WAY OUT. have fun, go to the store and bye a box of KOTEX EXTRA LARGE and plug ur hole. Ur honda isn't that great cause ur not out driving it. Ur up here with people that give .02 about there cars and other people that are the sameway.
you're a @!#$ tool. take a look at the j's he's built, then come back and re-read your post to him.
and by your logic, none of your cars are that great either, because "you're not out driving them."
Im at home taking care of my sick little girl who just turned one. what I said was right on . If hes has good as evry says and what ive read on the org, why did he give up on j's.?
Ive read alot about his work and One day i would love to be as good as him. But the one thing the ARMY tight me was never quit on something the u take anypride in. To u I'm wromg , I might be but at least I dont take the easy way.
Weebel U said it better then I could have.
BYE the way RuggedZ When u have a TA the runs 10 flat fulstreet N/A. And all ur tuner friends calll u to take out the @$$ bags in vipers ,vettes, mustanges and all the other musle in town call me I will come up there And even run people out of town for u.
If I piss anyone off sorry but I take pride in ALL my rides, The only thing I dont do Is TUNE my rides. Not many can say that. PRIDE is everything to som people
Life is to short 4 bulls#*$.
Willpower is no match 4 horsepower!
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Life is to short 4 bulls#*$.
Willpower is no match 4 horsepower!
you guys are completly missing the point, having pride in something you build is not the same thing as a car being a pos econobox. you can take pride in it all you want every day of your life but its not going to change what that car is. i take pride in everything i do with my car but at the end of the day it is still a sunfire. love it all u want, worship it all you want but the truth is 90% of the people who come on to this board will likely move on to another platform.
weebel you talk about them being speacial. when really their not speacial as a whole. their just speacial to you. their speacial to you because of what you made it. my sunfire is speacial to me because of what i made it, but when i say that, im talkinga bout my sunfire, not the entire population of sunfires out there. because in reality 99% of sunfires out there are junk.
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Raptorws9 wrote:. If hes has good as evry says and what ive read on the org, why did he give up on j's.? Ive read alot about his work and One day i would love to be as good as him. But the one thing the ARMY tight me was never quit on something the u take anypride in. To u I'm wromg , I might be but at least I dont take the easy way.
Once again what does the car I drive have to do with anything? I had the same opinion and said the same thing when I had both of my cavs. Your gonna sit there and talk about your Trans Am and then tell me I took I the easy way out ? lol. My "easy way out" involved selling and parting out my car to pay off a brand new car in 3 months. My "easy way out" is a 1.5 Liter 105 hp cheap, reliable, safe, good on gas, 4 door hatch that's versatile and has tons of room and a 10 year warranty. Not that its any of your business (or even relevant in all this) but I've gotten away from cars as a hobby, not from J's specifically. I got rid of the coupes I played with and moved on with my life. My Honda is lowered with wheels, gets 39 mpg in the city and is one of the slowest cars on the road. It's not the easy way out, hell its not anyway anywhere, it has nothing to do with anything and it's not a car I bought to mod.
The fact that simply saying I bought a Honda is seen as taking the easy way out plays exactly into this whole argument about the Js
I just don't get this argument? Seems like theirs a new one of these every week.
Jbodies are DEAD. People move on to more important things in lives, rather then sitting at home on these forums. I have had 2 of these @!#$ boxes and will never have another one again. Their fun while it lasts then it gets old, just like a lot of things in life.
I know if it weren't for having the drive and ambition to buy my first house at 21 and then buy a pretty new car on top of that, I may still be dumping all my coin into a cavalier. But thats just how things work. I've grown up a lot and don't get all excited to see a done up car like I used to.
