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Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:30 AM
gtpsunfire wrote:

97cavie24ls(JDM&00s/c sedans™) wrote:

since both are in cananda , wonder if any old rsm employees went to jpb , lol
You make yourself look stupider and stupider every day.
I fail to see how this makes anyone look stupid. That would be like me saying "Oh, the K-Mart down the street from my house closed...I wonder if any of their employees went to work for Wal-Mart?"

So let's look at plain facts here...RSM and JBP have been, for the longest time, the only companies that claimed to have any way of flashing the J-Body computer for altered performance parameters. Back when this "new technology" first surfaced, NOBODY, including GM could or would alter fuel, spark or transmission shift maps. There was no provable turn-key method to do this for any specific j-body vehicle, let alone ALL OBD2 J's like these companies claim(ed) to be able to modify. They could say they were doing it, do nothing, and lacking any way to verify it or prove otherwise you had no choice but to believe them and fork over the cash.

Now, it comes to light that one of the two companies making these claims was (is) a fraud. I'm not going to say anything bad about JBP, because there's no evidence to support that. However, I think it would be VERY interesting to see a comparison between a stock ECM and a JBP-flashed ECM the same as was done for a RSM computer. Then we can make whatever judgements are necessary.

Like I said, I just find it interesting that only two companies in the world "could do" what the manufacturer of the car wouldn't even do, and one turns out to be lying. It raises doubts in the mind of any logically thinking person. I'll be the first one to get their back if it turns out they actually did it, but now unfortunately advertising claims are no longer good enough.







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Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:32 AM
^^^^ Todd as in the Todd in AZ with the White Sunfire with the Auto Trans.










Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:59 AM
JimmyZ wrote:

gtpsunfire wrote:

97cavie24ls(JDM&00s/c sedans™) wrote:

since both are in cananda , wonder if any old rsm employees went to jpb , lol
You make yourself look stupider and stupider every day.
I fail to see how this makes anyone look stupid.


the "since both are in canada' is what's stupid... like if the fact that they're both in canada meant anything at all... it's just as if I asked if Frank Mckeever recycled himself at Hahn Racecraft since they're both from the US



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Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Wednesday, May 31, 2006 11:16 AM
Blown DanteMustDie wrote:

the "since both are in canada' is what's stupid... like if the fact that they're both in canada meant anything at all... it's just as if I asked if Frank Mckeever recycled himself at Hahn Racecraft since they're both from the US

How about *Since both are in Ontario*... happy?

Its not stupid at all. It is far more likely for someone to go to work for another similar company that is in their country rather then move to another country to do the same job. Makes perfect sense to me. Eric's argument about GRD was perfectly valid - Dom worked in the San Francisco Bay area, and moved 600 miles to work for RK Sport. Both statements ('since both are in the US' and 'Since both are in California') are perfectly valid there.

Who are you trying to protect by arguing, the respect of your country? Nobody is knocking Canada here, they are just trying to make a logical statement.




"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about
the former." - Albert Einstein

Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Wednesday, May 31, 2006 11:26 AM
I work at Saturn, but since Dominion on the other side of Ontario is hiring I think I will go there... Has about the same logic as your statement.
Seriously though, JBP is a small place that has 2 people working there. They are an engine building place mainly, so they would never hire someone from RSM. You would actually have to know what you are doing to work with Mev, not be a complete moron like the guys at RSM.


Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Wednesday, May 31, 2006 11:31 AM
I emailed JBP earlier today asking if they'd like to comment on this post.

To expand on my earlier point...a group like HP Tuners, with ALOT of people working on the project, took YEARS to come up with a workable product to flash these computers, yet somehow RSM and JBP were that far ahead of the curve? Something just doesn't add up, especially when one of the two is now a proven fraud. Again, I'm not accusing them of anything. I'm asking what seems to be a logical question.







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Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Wednesday, May 31, 2006 11:42 AM
Eh, it's ok though. It's becoming increasingly obvious that some people would rather argue over the stupidest little nit-picking points rather than take part in the real debate here. The way I see it there are two questions at hand here:
  1. What, if anything, can be done about RSM's blatant ripoff of who knows how many people?
  2. Since RSM and JBP claimed to have this "revolutionary tehcnology" LONG before it seems now to be possible, will a comparison of a JBP computer to stock yield the same results as the RSM computer comparison?
If the rest of you want to continue taking up for the honor (honour?) of your country please feel free...but take it to off topic or the regional forums or something. Here, it's post jacking and the adults would like to continue their conversation uninterrupted.

Where these businesses are located is immaterial. Who they've hired from one another's staff (if anyone) is completely off topic. What is important here is 1's and 0's...specifically the ones and zeroes in the JBP reflashed computers, and I'm VERY interested in seeing if they match those in a stock computer, as I'm sure many other people are.

* waits for JBP response, or someone with a JBP computer to volunteer for a "reading" *







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Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Wednesday, May 31, 2006 11:46 AM
Mev wants to have nothing to do with JBO politics, Jimmy. Why do you think he NEVER posts when you guys all throw crap up about him?

The bottom line - RSM went out of business. JBP is a 2 man shop.

His availability to recode the LD9 PCM was NOTHING like RSM's "Reflash"... he was doing it the hard way, sorting through code. He had a source that had figured out what a lot of the jargon took - but he did NOT work on the PCM's himself. He helped in tuning them on the dyno when they came back and sending them back out to be tweaked until perfect. Mev actually spoke with ME last week and told me he'd just learned about HPTUNERS and he RECOMMENDED it OVER his reflash, said it was just more versatile, cheaper, and overall better.

Mev is not a crook, and to imply that just becuase the 2 shops are 30 mins apart from one another they'd be associated is assinine. GRD went out of business, High rev went out of business... man I guess that means those guys are working at hahn racecraft. Exploited racing ripped off plenty of people, he must be working at miller performance ripping people off - no? I mean they're in the same country, and the same state... it makes sense, right?

Grow up people. This post is about the fact it has been now proven that RSM was 100% ripping people off on their "reflash"... and a final stake in their heart as far as I'm concerned. This post has nothing to do with JBP, or any other company that is trying to help the J-body market.

Let us all celebrate in the demise of Nelson's garbage GM-backed company and breathe a collective sigh of relief that they can no longer take advantage of unknowing consumers.

That's all I have to say about that. You guys wanna turn this ugly, I'm just going to ignore it... my life is too busy to deal with internet politics.

-Chris-



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Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:12 PM
SweetnessGT wrote:

Mev wants to have nothing to do with JBO politics, Jimmy. Why do you think he NEVER posts when you guys all throw crap up about him?
This isn't politics. This is now a legitimate question. You have two companies that, right around the same time, started making some pretty extraordinary claims about tuning capabilities and now one turns out to be a fraud...that raises questions. ONCE AGAIN, I'm not accusing JBP of anything, but I think we deserve answers to these questions.
SweetnessGT wrote:

The bottom line - RSM went out of business. JBP is a 2 man shop.
SweetnessGT wrote:

Mev is not a crook, and to imply that just becuase the 2 shops are 30 mins apart from one another they'd be associated is assinine. GRD went out of business, High rev went out of business... man I guess that means those guys are working at hahn racecraft. Exploited racing ripped off plenty of people, he must be working at miller performance ripping people off - no? I mean they're in the same country, and the same state... it makes sense, right?
Re-read my post. I said one had nothing to do with the other, and that their location or staff had nothing to do with this discussion or my questions. Other than RSM I accused nobody of anything, so to say "Mev is not a crook" is letting your imagination get the better of you in the conversation. I don't care if their home office is on the moon and they have Rick Howe, RSM's designer and a homeless guy from Detroit working for them. Who works for them and where they work has never been the question here. I just want to see a side-by-side of the two computers just like they did with the RSM unit.
SweetnessGT wrote:

Grow up people. This post is about the fact it has been now proven that RSM was 100% ripping people off on their "reflash"... and a final stake in their heart as far as I'm concerned. This post has nothing to do with JBP, or any other company that is trying to help the J-body market.

Let us all celebrate in the demise of Nelson's garbage GM-backed company and breathe a collective sigh of relief that they can no longer take advantage of unknowing consumers.
This post started out being about RSM's ripoff. Then someone raised a legitimate question..."if RSM couldn't do it back then, then is it possible JBP couldn't either?" Inquiring minds want to know.
SweetnessGT wrote:

That's all I have to say about that. You guys wanna turn this ugly, I'm just going to ignore it... my life is too busy to deal with internet politics.
I'm glad to hear that you've had enough and are going to ignore this. Thanks for your input but all you did was pretty much summarize the last 2 pages in your post. What we really need is INFORMED input here...either from JBP themselves or from someone willing to let their JBP-flashed computer be plugged into HPtuners for comparison. And FYI...if you think asking direct, legitimate questions about a product is "turning it ugly", you need to learn a few things about business.






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Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:42 PM
JimmyZ wrote:

Eh, it's ok though. It's becoming increasingly obvious that some people would rather argue over the stupidest little nit-picking points rather than take part in the real debate here. The way I see it there are two questions at hand here:
  1. What, if anything, can be done about RSM's blatant ripoff of who knows how many people?
  2. Since RSM and JBP claimed to have this "revolutionary tehcnology" LONG before it seems now to be possible, will a comparison of a JBP computer to stock yield the same results as the RSM computer comparison?
If the rest of you want to continue taking up for the honor (honour?) of your country please feel free...but take it to off topic or the regional forums or something. Here, it's post jacking and the adults would like to continue their conversation uninterrupted.

Where these businesses are located is immaterial. Who they've hired from one another's staff (if anyone) is completely off topic. What is important here is 1's and 0's...specifically the ones and zeroes in the JBP reflashed computers, and I'm VERY interested in seeing if they match those in a stock computer, as I'm sure many other people are.

* waits for JBP response, or someone with a JBP computer to volunteer for a "reading" *


this has nothing to do about honour, it's more about ignorance. and it's not post-jacking... since when is it unacceptable to respond to a remark by someone in a post ?

But whatever because I know how you are... no amount of arguing with you will ever get through your thick skull, plus arguing with you would make the post completely off-topic, plus I don't feel like arguing with you over a dumb remark made by someone else... you can say whatever you want right Mr. big bad mod LOL



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Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:57 PM
Blown DanteMustDie wrote:

But whatever because I know how you are... no amount of arguing with you will ever get through your thick skull, plus arguing with you would make the post completely off-topic, plus I don't feel like arguing with you over a dumb remark made by someone else... you can say whatever you want right Mr. big bad mod LOL



Regardless of who or how this post went off topic, that really needs to end right now. Who cares who works for a company or where they are. It is not the employees at question here, it is the product. If you feel its necessary to continue a pointless off-topic comment, please feel free to start a new topic on it.

I think the whole reason JBP was brought into this is that nobody can be without reproach. Countless people trusted RSM, and now some proof comes out to show that perhaps that trust was unfounded. Of course RSM never proved to anyone that their product was in fact what it claimed to be. I doubt anyone did any dyno testing on it. In the end the finger could be pointed in many directions. The similarity here is that JBP has a similar product, and just like RSM, there has been no independent testing, and there is no way to prove it is what they claim. But that is where the similarity ends. People are now asking questions. You can scream at the top of your lungs until you pass out that JBP is a reputable company. That is a non-issue here. The people just want proof. You can kick and scream and stomp your feet, people still want proof. Your best course of action as a supporter of the company is to help provide the proof. If the company is vindicated, it would be an excellent boost to their reputation. If you believe in the company, you should be working to boost their image in the community as well.




"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about
the former." - Albert Einstein


Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Wednesday, May 31, 2006 1:04 PM
SweetnessGT wrote:

That's all I have to say about that. You guys wanna turn this ugly, I'm just going to ignore it... my life is too busy to deal with internet politics.[/]b

-Chris-



HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! I've read some of your posts lately. You're more likely than not, the one to START the political BS. Give it up.

I'll wave the Canadian flag high and proud.... the same way you wave the JBP flag. But you're the only one here supporting them, in fact... being Mev's voice on the JBO.

Let's see... there was another person on here... Craig something? Who was doing the same for RSM... where is he now? Who cares.

I stopped supporting RSM a long long time ago, after they bent me over the first time. Anyone else who got screwed by RSM, you should have listened to us!!






Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Wednesday, May 31, 2006 2:26 PM
when i refered to both rsm and jbp being in canada i knew they are fairly close to each other , had both companies been on each coast

and honestly was meant more of a joke than anything else , but also had a tone that anything is possible

thank you jimmyz for seeing and understanding what i meant


karo todd hasnt seen or heard anything about his motor yet , and i was trying to keep his dealings out of this post

my comments are on motors that other people have posted , i think 1 was a 2.4 and the other was a 2.2 , and both had the same problem

im more than willing to give jbp the benifit of the doubt , but they gotta prove their worth


john , craig is still here but he wont comment on rsm , and in a way i dont blame him







Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:31 PM
97cavie24ls(JDM&00s/c sedans™) wrote:

when i refered to both rsm and jbp being in canada i knew they are fairly close to each other , had both companies been on each coast

and honestly was meant more of a joke than anything else , but also had a tone that anything is possible


as I said in my first post I was pretty sure that it was a joke ... no hard feelings man



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Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Wednesday, May 31, 2006 6:14 PM
its all good man







Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Wednesday, May 31, 2006 6:36 PM
This is just a trip.
I said years ago that our cars had so many different computers how can RSM reprogram them all with so quickly. PLus all the reviews. Some people just don't listen.


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Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:37 PM


well said dave!

AND finally, after years of "politics" people are seeing what others and I have been seeing with these j body related companys. all i can do is sit back and smile, as i am sure lenko is too with a beer in hand. eh'.

jbp- i say there reflash is , havent heard anything good about their engines either. not saying they suck, but like my deal with RSM starting 5+ years ago , prove me wrong, make me eat my words.Well ...we see how RSM sits as of late, now lets see JBP step up.

(for once i agree with jimmyZ )

Team GREEN

Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:26 PM
wheres the comparisons???

im also interested in seeing the 2.4 sc reflash against the stock 2.4 program



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Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Thursday, June 01, 2006 11:57 AM
About damn time....... I'd also like to see a JBP vs. Stock comparison...... very interesting.

I've got a 2.4 Stock vs. 2.4 GM S/C reflash comparison...... but I'm sure Shifted can post that........ would like to see the 2.4 RSM S/C vs. Stock now as well.

on the Oil pump non-sense...... I have a pic here of stock 2.4 guts vs 2.3 guts...... lets see a JBP 2.4 pump guts vs. Stock 2.4 guts......

..... and Exploited and Miller-Performance are NOT from the same state...... Unless Wisconsin and Michigan have combined to make Wischigan........ idiots......




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SLO GOAT - '04 GTO 305whp
RACER X - '78 Opel Kadett W41 Swap

Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Thursday, June 01, 2006 12:35 PM
SpeedRacerZ wrote:

About damn time....... I'd also like to see a JBP vs. Stock comparison...... very interesting.

I've got a 2.4 Stock vs. 2.4 GM S/C reflash comparison...... but I'm sure Shifted can post that........ would like to see the 2.4 RSM S/C vs. Stock now as well.

on the Oil pump non-sense...... I have a pic here of stock 2.4 guts vs 2.3 guts...... lets see a JBP 2.4 pump guts vs. Stock 2.4 guts......

..... and Exploited and Miller-Performance are NOT from the same state...... Unless Wisconsin and Michigan have combined to make Wischigan........ idiots......


Wischigan! LOL!!





Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Thursday, June 01, 2006 1:24 PM
I as well would like to see all of the comparisons!!!




Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:02 PM
brian- disregard the part in the e mail i sent you about this post.


carry on

Team GREEN

Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Friday, June 02, 2006 2:27 AM

For some reason it got resized to small to read...... but it says "21 differences, 80 similarities"

2.4 NA vs 2.4 GM S/C reflash




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SLO GOAT - '04 GTO 305whp
RACER X - '78 Opel Kadett W41 Swap

Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Friday, June 02, 2006 4:51 AM
I would also like to see the comparisions on the JBP reflash, and stock, also JBP to RSM.
I'm also interested in the JBP oil pump as well. I have been debating on buying one, and have a couple stock ones to compare to. If I buy one I will post pictures.

I do not understand why JBP will not respond to this. I do understand that the ORG can be a nasty place with certain people on here. Fact is if they have proof they do what they do give it and leave it alone. That should settle this.



FU Tuning



Re: *****RSM SUPERCHARGER REFLASH - EXPOSED*******
Friday, June 02, 2006 8:35 AM
full size version of the GM SC vs stock because Brian's is small..



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