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Re: Global Warming
Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:03 AM on j-body.org
I'm not worried either. I'll do what it takes to survive. But then again i don't have a society mindset.

those that do, likely will be the ones that will be offed.


Goodbye Callisto & Skađi, Hello Ishara:
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The only thing every single person from every single walk of life on earth can truly say
they have in common is that their country is run by a bunch of fargin iceholes.

Re: Global Warming
Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:30 AM on j-body.org
Um, Keeper why does that sound like your planning to go all Hannible Lecter on us?
I agree the weak will die but we don't have to eat them. Good Grief Man !!




Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.



Re: Global Warming
Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:54 AM on j-body.org
"Offed" doesn't mean i'm going to have Jackalope Friccasse, or hahahaburgers, or even Chicken GAMatore .


Goodbye Callisto & Skađi, Hello Ishara:
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The only thing every single person from every single walk of life on earth can truly say
they have in common is that their country is run by a bunch of fargin iceholes.
Re: Global Warming
Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:26 PM on j-body.org
Glad to hear it!




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Re: Global Warming
Wednesday, April 12, 2006 1:45 PM on j-body.org
Another well written article released today:

"Global Warming has become more than just a scientific issue and has been portrayed as nothing less than the End of the World by some. However, despite all the hoopla from Hollywood, Politicians and Science Bureaucrats, there is another side, but it's being suppressed according to Richard Lindzen, an Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT. From the article: 'Scientists who dissent from the alarmism have seen their grant funds disappear, their work derided, and themselves libeled as industry stooges, scientific hacks or worse. Consequently, lies about climate change gain credence even when they fly in the face of the science that supposedly is their basis.'"


Climate of Fear
Global-warming alarmists intimidate dissenting scientists into silence.

BY RICHARD LINDZEN
Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT

There have been repeated claims that this past year's hurricane activity was another sign of human-induced climate change. Everything from the heat wave in Paris to heavy snows in Buffalo has been blamed on people burning gasoline to fuel their cars, and coal and natural gas to heat, cool and electrify their homes. Yet how can a barely discernible, one-degree increase in the recorded global mean temperature since the late 19th century possibly gain public acceptance as the source of recent weather catastrophes? And how can it translate into unlikely claims about future catastrophes?

The answer has much to do with misunderstanding the science of climate, plus a willingness to debase climate science into a triangle of alarmism. Ambiguous scientific statements about climate are hyped by those with a vested interest in alarm, thus raising the political stakes for policy makers who provide funds for more science research to feed more alarm to increase the political stakes. After all, who puts money into science--whether for AIDS, or space, or climate--where there is nothing really alarming? Indeed, the success of climate alarmism can be counted in the increased federal spending on climate research from a few hundred million dollars pre-1990 to $1.7 billion today. It can also be seen in heightened spending on solar, wind, hydrogen, ethanol and clean coal technologies, as well as on other energy-investment decisions.

But there is a more sinister side to this feeding frenzy. Scientists who dissent from the alarmism have seen their grant funds disappear, their work derided, and themselves libeled as industry stooges, scientific hacks or worse. Consequently, lies about climate change gain credence even when they fly in the face of the science that supposedly is their basis.





To understand the misconceptions perpetuated about climate science and the climate of intimidation, one needs to grasp some of the complex underlying scientific issues. First, let's start where there is agreement. The public, press and policy makers have been repeatedly told that three claims have widespread scientific support: Global temperature has risen about a degree since the late 19th century; levels of CO2 in the atmosphere have increased by about 30% over the same period; and CO2 should contribute to future warming. These claims are true. However, what the public fails to grasp is that the claims neither constitute support for alarm nor establish man's responsibility for the small amount of warming that has occurred. In fact, those who make the most outlandish claims of alarm are actually demonstrating skepticism of the very science they say supports them. It isn't just that the alarmists are trumpeting model results that we know must be wrong. It is that they are trumpeting catastrophes that couldn't happen even if the models were right as justifying costly policies to try to prevent global warming.
If the models are correct, global warming reduces the temperature differences between the poles and the equator. When you have less difference in temperature, you have less excitation of extratropical storms, not more. And, in fact, model runs support this conclusion. Alarmists have drawn some support for increased claims of tropical storminess from a casual claim by Sir John Houghton of the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) that a warmer world would have more evaporation, with latent heat providing more energy for disturbances. The problem with this is that the ability of evaporation to drive tropical storms relies not only on temperature but humidity as well, and calls for drier, less humid air. Claims for starkly higher temperatures are based upon there being more humidity, not less--hardly a case for more storminess with global warming.

So how is it that we don't have more scientists speaking up about this junk science? It's my belief that many scientists have been cowed not merely by money but by fear. An example: Earlier this year, Texas Rep. Joe Barton issued letters to paleoclimatologist Michael Mann and some of his co-authors seeking the details behind a taxpayer-funded analysis that claimed the 1990s were likely the warmest decade and 1998 the warmest year in the last millennium. Mr. Barton's concern was based on the fact that the IPCC had singled out Mr. Mann's work as a means to encourage policy makers to take action. And they did so before his work could be replicated and tested--a task made difficult because Mr. Mann, a key IPCC author, had refused to release the details for analysis. The scientific community's defense of Mr. Mann was, nonetheless, immediate and harsh. The president of the National Academy of Sciences--as well as the American Meteorological Society and the American Geophysical Union--formally protested, saying that Rep. Barton's singling out of a scientist's work smacked of intimidation.

All of which starkly contrasts to the silence of the scientific community when anti-alarmists were in the crosshairs of then-Sen. Al Gore. In 1992, he ran two congressional hearings during which he tried to bully dissenting scientists, including myself, into changing our views and supporting his climate alarmism. Nor did the scientific community complain when Mr. Gore, as vice president, tried to enlist Ted Koppel in a witch hunt to discredit anti-alarmist scientists--a request that Mr. Koppel deemed publicly inappropriate. And they were mum when subsequent articles and books by Ross Gelbspan libelously labeled scientists who differed with Mr. Gore as stooges of the fossil-fuel industry.

Sadly, this is only the tip of a non-melting iceberg. In Europe, Henk Tennekes was dismissed as research director of the Royal Dutch Meteorological Society after questioning the scientific underpinnings of global warming. Aksel Winn-Nielsen, former director of the U.N.'s World Meteorological Organization, was tarred by Bert Bolin, first head of the IPCC, as a tool of the coal industry for questioning climate alarmism. Respected Italian professors Alfonso Sutera and Antonio Speranza disappeared from the debate in 1991, apparently losing climate-research funding for raising questions.

And then there are the peculiar standards in place in scientific journals for articles submitted by those who raise questions about accepted climate wisdom. At Science and Nature, such papers are commonly refused without review as being without interest. However, even when such papers are published, standards shift. When I, with some colleagues at NASA, attempted to determine how clouds behave under varying temperatures, we discovered what we called an "Iris Effect," wherein upper-level cirrus clouds contracted with increased temperature, providing a very strong negative climate feedback sufficient to greatly reduce the response to increasing CO2. Normally, criticism of papers appears in the form of letters to the journal to which the original authors can respond immediately. However, in this case (and others) a flurry of hastily prepared papers appeared, claiming errors in our study, with our responses delayed months and longer. The delay permitted our paper to be commonly referred to as "discredited." Indeed, there is a strange reluctance to actually find out how climate really behaves. In 2003, when the draft of the U.S. National Climate Plan urged a high priority for improving our knowledge of climate sensitivity, the National Research Council instead urged support to look at the impacts of the warming--not whether it would actually happen.





Alarm rather than genuine scientific curiosity, it appears, is essential to maintaining funding. And only the most senior scientists today can stand up against this alarmist gale, and defy the iron triangle of climate scientists, advocates and policymakers.
M. Lindzen is Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008220




Re: Global Warming
Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:00 PM on j-body.org
What I wasn't saying is that a massive climatic shift is around the courner. I was speculating the outcome of the onset of an "ice age".

We should be more concerned about resource wars and "Peek Oil" than climate shift.

You have to agree that releasing CO2 that took millions of years to store within a couple centuries is somewhat out of balance. We definately need to clean up our act.

PAX
Re: Global Warming
Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:56 AM on j-body.org
Oh I'll agree with that whole heartedly HAHA. I think we need to start with the big corperations who dump and destroy without thought or care. But the problem is so big I don't think anything short of the climate shift your speaking of will stop it from continueing.





Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.



Re: Global Warming
Thursday, April 13, 2006 2:47 PM on j-body.org
it's out of balance, but it's the scale we're talking about. We're not tapping all of the hydrocarbon reserves that have always been, and the earth is just way large in comparison.

Likely, the climate changes are part of the natural cycle of the earth coming out of an ice age.


Goodbye Callisto & Skađi, Hello Ishara:
2022 Kia Stinger GT2 AWD
The only thing every single person from every single walk of life on earth can truly say
they have in common is that their country is run by a bunch of fargin iceholes.
Re: Global Warming
Friday, April 14, 2006 7:34 AM on j-body.org
In short you'll be able to pitch your winter coats and snow shovels for ever!!!




Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.



Re: Global Warming
Friday, April 14, 2006 9:59 AM on j-body.org
A Stark Warning On Climate Change

"In a report based on computer predictions, UK government advisor Professor David King said that an increase of even three degrees Celsius would cause drought and famine and threaten millions of lives The US refuses to cut emissions and those of India and China are rising. A government report based on computer modeling projects a 3C rise would cause a drop worldwide of between 20 and 400 million tonnes in cereal crops, about 400 million more people at risk of hunger and between 1.2bn and 3bn more people at risk of water stress."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4888946.stm




Re: Global Warming
Friday, April 14, 2006 10:20 AM on j-body.org
I don't put much stock in what an un-named un-acredited UK professor of an un-named country has to say. I know the Earth is warming up and so does everyone else but regardless of who says what its all just speculation. Its already been firmly established that the Earth is comeing out of a cooling cycle and entering a warming trend. But no one knows why for 100% sure and to rattle off about some dooms day prediction is a little reckless of these scientists actualy. Not starting with you Cable as all your doing is reporting what you find but these guys should know better then to run around telling everyone the sky is falling and its all our fault when they have no idea whats doing it.




Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.




Re: Global Warming
Friday, April 14, 2006 11:42 AM on j-body.org
mmmk.. so we should; pretend its not happening? what?




Re: Global Warming
Friday, April 14, 2006 12:50 PM on j-body.org
No I never said that. But we're basicly all just along for the ride here on Earth and none of us or the "experts" truely know whats going on. I say take steps to protect the enviroment but untill it can proved the warming is directly caused by us then why should we all run out and buy battery powered cars? It would be the same if you were sick and before the doctors knew exactly what was wrong you demanded radiation treatment and kemo. It just doesn't make seance to panic over something we doen't know about.




Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.



Re: Global Warming
Friday, April 14, 2006 6:06 PM on j-body.org
WE DIDN'T LISTEN!!

I had to say it.





Re: Global Warming
Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:53 PM on j-body.org
Deep ice tells long climate story
By Jonathan Amos
Science reporter, BBC News, Norwich



Carbon dioxide levels are substantially higher now than at any time in the last 800,000 years, the latest study of ice drilled out of Antarctica confirms.
The in-depth analysis of air bubbles trapped in a 3.2km-long core of frozen snow shows current greenhouse gas concentrations are unprecedented.

The East Antarctic core is the longest, deepest ice column yet extracted.

Project scientists say its contents indicate humans could be bringing about dangerous climate changes.

"My point would be that there's nothing in the ice core that gives us any cause for comfort," said Dr Eric Wolff from the British Antarctic Survey (BAS).

"There's nothing that suggests that the Earth will take care of the increase in carbon dioxide. The ice core suggests that the increase in carbon dioxide will definitely give us a climate change that will be dangerous," he told BBC News.

The Antarctic researcher was speaking here at the British Association's (BA) Science Festival.

Slice of history

The ice core comes from a region of the White Continent known as Dome Concordia (Dome C). It has been drilled out by the European Project for Ice Coring in Antarctica (Epica), a 10-country consortium.

The column's value to science is the tiny pockets of ancient air that were locked into its millennia of accumulating snowflakes.

Each slice of this now compacted snow records a moment in Earth history, giving researchers a direct measure of past environmental conditions.

Not only can scientists see past concentrations of carbon dioxide and methane - the two principal human-produced gases now blamed for global warming - in the slices, they can also gauge past temperatures from the samples.

This is done by analysing the presence of different types, or isotopes, of hydrogen atom that are found preferentially in precipitating water (snow) when temperatures are relatively warm.

'Scary' rate

Earlier results from the Epica core were published in 2004 and 2005, detailing the events back to 440,000 years and 650,000 years respectively. Scientists have now gone the full way through the column, back another 150,000 years.

The picture is the same: carbon dioxide and temperature rise and fall in step.


"Ice cores reveal the Earth's natural climate rhythm over the last 800,000 years. When carbon dioxide changed there was always an accompanying climate change. Over the last 200 years human activity has increased carbon dioxide to well outside the natural range," explained Dr Wolff.
The "scary thing", he added, was the rate of change now occurring in CO2 concentrations. In the core, the fastest increase seen was of the order of 30 parts per million (ppm) by volume over a period of roughly 1,000 years.

"The last 30 ppm of increase has occurred in just 17 years. We really are in the situation where we don't have an analogue in our records," he said.

Natural buffer

The plan now is to try to extend the ice-core record even further back in time. Scientists think another location, near to a place known as Dome A (Dome Argus), could allow them to sample atmospheric gases up to a million and a half years ago.

Some of the increases in carbon dioxide will be alleviated by natural "sinks" on the land and in the oceans, such as the countless planktonic organisms that effectively pull carbon out of the atmosphere as they build skeletons and shell coverings.

But Dr Corinne Le Quéré, of the University of East Anglia and BAS, warned the festival that these sinks may become less efficient over time.

We could not rely on them to keep on buffering our emissions, she said.

"For example, we don't know what the effect will be of ocean acidification on marine ecosystems. There is potential for deterioration," she explained.

More CO2 absorbed by the oceans will raise their acidity, and a number of recent studies have concluded that this will eventually disrupt the ability of marine micro-organisms to use the calcium carbonate in the water to produce their hard parts.


Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/sci/tech/5314592.stm

Published: 2006/09/04 22:27:27 GMT

© BBC MMVI





Re: Global Warming
Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:12 PM on j-body.org
so what's going to be the cause when the earth starts to cool back down?

not burning enough fuel?
damn I'm goinna have to buy a V8 Hummer, but in the mean time I will keep driving the cav



Re: Global Warming
Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:54 PM on j-body.org
^ its pretty simple actually

a global warming trend causes the ocean levels to rise from rapid ice melt, less snow fall, more water fall.

this then changes the currents in the ocean to adjust to the new amount of water and depth.

this then goes into a reverse trend of colder temps more snow fall.





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Re: Global Warming
Thursday, September 07, 2006 5:19 AM on j-body.org
We will probably not be here in 30 years so I would not worry too much. All wrongs will be righted.....that is a promise.


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Re: Global Warming
Thursday, September 07, 2006 6:19 AM on j-body.org
Chris Crossont wrote:We will probably not be here in 30 years so I would not worry too much. All wrongs will be righted.....that is a promise.

where we goin?




Re: Global Warming
Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:58 PM on j-body.org
So there were no greenhouse gasses in the glacier air pockets... Who's to say that icebergs don't filter air the way that the ground filters water?

And don't forget glaciers form in extreme cold, which has an effect on the gasses in the surrounding air. It's a biased, manipulated sample. If the ground was dug on Hawaii near a volcano, the ground sample (and any gas pockets) would have insanely high levels of pollutants from the volcanic gasses nearby, which could be reported as an "example of the levels of pollution the planet can overcome". But that would be a false statement as well.

Chris, are you speaking of some biblical/nostradamus event or just planning on bungee jumping 1 too many times?


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Re: Global Warming
Thursday, September 07, 2006 2:14 PM on j-body.org
i think he meant bungee jumping




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Re: Global Warming
Thursday, September 07, 2006 2:31 PM on j-body.org
John Wilken wrote:So there were no greenhouse gasses in the glacier air pockets... Who's to say that icebergs don't filter air the way that the ground filters water?

And don't forget glaciers form in extreme cold, which has an effect on the gasses in the surrounding air. It's a biased, manipulated sample. If the ground was dug on Hawaii near a volcano, the ground sample (and any gas pockets) would have insanely high levels of pollutants from the volcanic gasses nearby, which could be reported as an "example of the levels of pollution the planet can overcome". But that would be a false statement as well.

Chris, are you speaking of some biblical/nostradamus event or just planning on bungee jumping 1 too many times?


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Yea, I think the end is coming soon. Biblical stuff.


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Re: Global Warming
Thursday, September 07, 2006 2:33 PM on j-body.org
John Wilken wrote:So there were no greenhouse gasses in the glacier air pockets... Who's to say that icebergs don't filter air the way that the ground filters water?

And don't forget glaciers form in extreme cold, which has an effect on the gasses in the surrounding air. It's a biased, manipulated sample. If the ground was dug on Hawaii near a volcano, the ground sample (and any gas pockets) would have insanely high levels of pollutants from the volcanic gasses nearby, which could be reported as an "example of the levels of pollution the planet can overcome". But that would be a false statement as well.

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scientists have been using ice column research for a long time and it has proven to be pretty accurate in correlation to the earth as a whole.




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Re: Global Warming
Thursday, September 07, 2006 5:01 PM on j-body.org
Hers some neat little FACTS for you! Did you know that the biggest greenhouse gas is water vapor? Hmmm, can't do much about that can we? Next up is CO2!
Now heres the really cool part! Ya ready? Man only produces 2% of all the CO2 in the world! TA DA! Thats right 2% good old mom nature does the rest of the 98%! And get this! remember how a second ago I mentioned CO2 is second water vapor? Heres another fun fact the tree hugging greenie weenies won't tell you That water vapor accounts for over 99% of the green house gases!

So lets see we as the destructive nasty planet killers contribute 2% of something thats only 1% to blame! That means in the grand scheme of things we're adding
.02% of harmful emission to the atmosphere!

.02%!! So PUHLEEZE spare us all the doom and gloom that we're destroying the Earth cause I got news for ya! .02% ain't SH-T! Now if your gonna report on something tell the whole truth not just half truths and political spin!

End Rant.




Semper Fi SAINT. May you rest in peace.



Re: Global Warming
Thursday, September 07, 2006 5:56 PM on j-body.org
did you know that raising the temperature of your house by 2 degC will save about 50% on cooling costs?

Sometimes small stuff really matters.

If you have a balance and you add just one grain of sand to one side you now have a tipped balance.

The fact is it's happening. If you intend to survive you should start thinking about how. I don't live in a coastal area so I'm not as worried. I also live in a very fertile area so I doubt I'll starve with the rest, but of course war for food will replace war for oil so maybe I should worry.

PAX
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